KDVR Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Hello collector friendsCould you give me a helping hand with that award:1. Exact description of that decoration2. Which version and how long awarded3. ValueMany thanksKDVR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_deploige Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 It is the military cross 2nd class (for officiers with 25 years of service) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDVR Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 Thank you very much! Is this a WWII period piece? how much is its value approx.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_deploige Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 At de Back 2L = Periode Leopold IIA = Periode Albert ILIII = periode Leopold III (WW II)Lion periode 1952 until nowthe value depend of the monogram at the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDVR Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 It has a Lion on the back side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_deploige Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 20 to 25 Euro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) Old thread, but just reading it now.Post #4 was very helpful and explains a lot on the different types seen. I do have a question though; How did you determine it was a 2nd class award without seeing the full suspension ribbon? My understanding is, these are strictly officer awards and time in service dictated which one was applicable.I thought...and honestly, I do not know...the 2nd class award (without rosette on the suspension ribbon) was for 15 years service and the 1st class award was for 25 years?Not a common item that I see very often.TimHere's a sample of the 1st class award (not mine), but I'm looking for one. ;) Edited July 24, 2009 by Tim B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 The other question I have concerns the crown and how it attaches to the suspension. Here's a PIC showing what appears to be a pin placed in the base of the crown. Does this look like a replacement?Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_deploige Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Timthe 2nd Class is given to officers with 25 year of servicethe 1st Class is given to officiers with 25 year of service as officierGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Timthe 2nd Class is given to officers with 25 year of servicethe 1st Class is given to officiers with 25 year of service as officierGuyThanks for that clarification Guy!I never assumed anything about a person being promoted into the officer ranks having a different award, but I guess that makes sense.We have our Warrant Officers, Limited Duty Officers, and regular Commisioned or Line Officers; the first two categories are strickly enlisted to officers programs where a non-com can be appointed into the officer grades.So, with that, then I assume:1) The 2nd class would go more to a enlisted man that was promoted to officer rank and eventually reached 25 years faithful service overall?2) The 1st class would go to a commisioned officer that was an officer from the very start?3) What about a person in the first example (1) that remained in service long enough to attain 25 years as an officer? Does he then trade in his 2nd class award for a 1st class award, or wear both?Thanks again! Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_deploige Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Dear TimA cadet at the Royal academie is only after 2 years second Luitenant, so he will first have the second class, than the 1st, he only will wear the 1st class when he will be prometed from the 2nd to the 1st classGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Okay, I think I still follow you. Here, we have our four-year degree programs, whether you go to any civilian university or military academy, you come out basically as an O-1. An O-1 would be either an Ensign (Navy) or 2nd Lieutenant (other branches). Once they graduate, then they start their active military service and are usually obligated for 6 years.These are the ones that I would place into the second category (2) in my previous post.What about a guy that started out as an enlisted man, say he did 10 years service, then through one avenue or another was promoted into the officer ranks. From there, he did another 15 years service. I assume, at that point, he would be entitled to the 2nd Class award. If he remained in service, say another 10 years (35 years total military service and 25 years as an officer), would he then upgrade to the 1st class award. Can you actually do 35 years??Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 While I'm here... Here is a quick PIC of my 2nd class medal. I am assuming with the "A" cipher, it is circa. WWI or thereabouts?Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Unfortunately, I think the pin has been replaced (why??), but I see so few of these in PICS, I really can't tell as some appear to have this pin "head" showing as well. Thoughts??Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_deploige Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 What about a guy that started out as an enlisted man, say he did 10 years service, then through one avenue or another was promoted into the officer ranks. From there, he did another 15 years service. I assume, at that point, he would be entitled to the 2nd Class award. If he remained in service, say another 10 years (35 years total military service and 25 years as an officer), would he then upgrade to the 1st class award. Can you actually do 35 years??TimDear Tim this is correct, a g?n?ral can end his service at the adge of 65so he can do 45 years of service, I think this is the maximumGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Thank you Guy! :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 What makes this medal so appealing to me is the overall design (which I understand the Croix de Guerre was modeled after btw) and the beautiful black enamel. Really stands out with the black and brass/bronze colors.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 You can see where the swords are starting to age tone as well!Tim :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 :cheers: Recently picked this one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 :love: I really love the black enamel on these early ones. Tim :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 :P Another shot of the 2nd class award without the rosette. Makes a nice pair I think. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Unfortunately, I think the pin has been replaced (why??), but I see so few of these in PICS, I really can't tell as some appear to have this pin "head" showing as well. Thoughts?? Tim Hey Tim, Seems this one is French made - call me crazy but I think there is a French silver purity mark on the suspension? I think Delande made some of those in silver gilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Hey farmer, You're right! After reading your post, I took the medal out today and looped it. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 A little closer; you can see the boar's head on the left. I can see it clearer through the loop, just can't quite get the PIC's to show the details. These marks are just too tiny. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Ironically, the 2nd class is marked and the 1st class (officers model) is not. Can't quite make out what the maker's mark is. Tried to hit it from a couple of angles but, I think the background stipling is affecting the actual maker's stamping here. What was Delande's mark? Thanks again! Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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