Gordon Williamson Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Picked up at Kassel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 26, 2005 Author Share Posted November 26, 2005 25yr Long Service, Maker marked Rossauer on the edge of the lower arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 26, 2005 Author Share Posted November 26, 2005 4th Class Red Eagle. Also marked for Rossauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 26, 2005 Author Share Posted November 26, 2005 Kriegsdenkm?nze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 26, 2005 Author Share Posted November 26, 2005 And the EK2. Nice early piece with multi-part pinned frame and stepped core.Unfortunately, it will need some TLC. Not well stored and there is active rust which will need to be stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Of additional interest should be both the earlier styled 25-Year LSC (also note the split ring suspension! Quite correct on an early cross) and the Lilac/smooth armed RAO4. Fantastic group! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 26, 2005 Author Share Posted November 26, 2005 Thanks Rick. In my ignorance of such things, I thought the split ring indicated the oriuginal had been lost and this was just a crude replacement. That particular one is also marked Rossauer, but on the edge of the circular centre medallion at the 10 o'clock position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Hi Gordon are you sure it's not Hossauer? He was one of the pre-eminnent House Jewelers of the era and a known maker of Long Service Bars, the RAO, etc. That "R", might just be an "H"!;>) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 26, 2005 Author Share Posted November 26, 2005 Rick, you are absolutely correct, it is of course an "H". The first one I looked at, the first letter wasn't fully formed. Cursory glance the others were the same, but with a closer examination it's clearly Hossauer on the others ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 the smooth arms(glatte?) are a very dtrong indicator of age, smooth being earlier.looks like you had a gem of a day, gordon!joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Thats a most impressive group. The Red-Eeagle-Order is a particular nice example Now imagine this group WITH PAPERWORK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 not to distract from the theme of the thread, but what would be the method for preventing further decay by rust?is there anyone who could address this in another thread?thanks! joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 The RAO painting is particularly nice. I'm also a tad curious if you're going to arrest the rust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Well, I've never had to do this to an EK, but I've used WD-40 with excellent results. It cleans, drives the moisture out and keeps it out, penetrates (so would probably even get in behind the frame) and will darken/protect the iron. Of course the cross will now stink like chemical.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biro Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 That is an absolutely wonderful grouping Gordon.. my congratulations on a great & rare find.I too would be interested in knowing how you will go about arresting the rust to the EK2.... I have an 1870 EK1 that is beginning its innevitable submission to the 'orange' meanie.. WD40 .... maybe, but I'd be interested in your approach too.....regardsMarshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Rick, you ever heard of Boe-Shield?A more up to date replacement for WD40. No damage to paint.My problem are surrounding ribbons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Baker Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 My God, what a beautiful group. Something most of us can only imagine owning.Congrats Gordon, and thanks for sharing this!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 I'm wary of doing anything which might have an adverse effect, but as the core doesn't have the baked enamel painted core of later crosses WD40, which I seem to recall might damage paintwork, may well be safe. I'll probably try a smear of that on a cotton bud and see where we go from there. There are a couple of other aspects of this cross which deserve mention, including its construction which is one that so far, I haven't seen recorded, and its not one of the three methods "Iron Time" shows. The ring is pretty special too. All will be explained later today when I'll post some more pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biro Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 ..All will be explained later today when I'll post some more pics...Good... cos I'm dying to know what this pin is all about!!A 'wrap-around' type frame maybe?? Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 Good... cos I'm dying to know what this pin is all about!!A 'wrap-around' type frame maybe?? MarshallJust to show how the camera can lie, its not a pin, but a ridge running along the arm. Imagine the frame consisting of the usual obverse half, and also the reverse half of the outer flange, made from several parts pinned together. Then lay in the iron core, and then to hold everthing together, the reverse part consists of the inner ribbed beading only, which is soldered into place, butted up against that ridge. Truly bizzare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 Okay, first really unusual feature is the suspension loop. Not the usual sealed ring, but an open split ring. My first thought would have been that the original ring was lost and this was a replacement until Stogie Rick pointed out that this arrangement is correct for very early pieces ( see the 25Yr LS at left in the frame) of this era.I gave the surface a wipe ( little more than a smear with a cotton bud barely damp with WD40) and it has certainly improved the appearance of the core. I think I'll leave it at that for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 I don't have a decent camera to hand at the moment, but hopefully you will be able to see that there is no joint line around the centre of the frame. the outer flange being integral with the beaded inner frame of the obverse. The beaded inner frame of the reverse however, is a separate part, and you can just make out the join line. First I have ever heard of this type of construction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 What a great piece. I am so jealous. I have been looking for one that I could believe 100% in for a long time to mount next to this photo...I imagine your piece is as early as they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Brian, that's a great portrait, is it a watercolor? My great-great-great grandfather was with the Prussians at the Voelkerschlacht in 1813, while a cousin of his died the previous year in Russia, fighting with the French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Yes, but I'm not trying to hijack the thread but put a more human element into an old piece of metal and rust. It was once brilliant and hung proudly around someone's neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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