Jump to content

Recommended Posts

here is my most recent group to gunner 159821 , George Lawrence

here is the MIC for him.It shows that he was only entitled to the pair.

2dumhdt.jpg

And his Short service Attestation papers

Page 1

2mruz9h.jpg

Page 2

riszrt.jpg

Statement of service

n34rp5.jpg

More paperwork

72dgzt.jpg

291gqyp.jpg

wbfc01.jpg

That is about it.So any help at all on halping decipher what is on these documents.

As i mentioned it looks like they have been damaged by water.

Cheers

Link to post
Share on other sites

They are quite difficult to read, but I did find another unit that he was posted to. His original unit appears to 447th Siege Battery, but is posred to 149th Siege Batttery on 7/9/1918, but returns to 447th and is then posted to 223rd Siege Battery on 21/3/1919.

Now here are some interesting bits for us Geeks;- he "Attests" on the 8/12/1915. Which would be in compliance with the National Registration Act of 1915, but I'm not sure if it's with the Group System(Derby Scheme), which commenced early in 1915, a good year before the Miltary Services Act(Conscription) came into force.

The following day 9/12/1915 he is placed on the "Army Reserve" and sent home, this may be because it appears that he lives with his mother who may be a widow.

He isn't "Mobilised" until 5/5/1917, so he is infact a late entry into the war. Again though I can't see anything which would imply whether he was called up as a Derby Scheme lad(Volunteer) or under the M.S.A.(Conscript).

Edited by Graham Stewart
Link to post
Share on other sites

Have had another trawl through and found his Grouping was 9/27 and this can be seen on his A.F. B.103 "Casualty Form Active Service" form. I haven't got my notes with me, which would have told me his trade band.

Under the Derby Scheme enlistment was voluntary, but your call-up was delayed depending on family circumstances. However the Group's of the Derby Scheme weren't called forward until January 1916, the initial batches going to the Territorial infantry.

The following May/June 1916 the Miltary Service Act comes into being, which we more know as Conscription. This system used the Derby Scheme's earlier organisational set-up to call forward Conscripts.

Military Tribunals were also prevelant at the same time in which those who were 'conscripted', could appeal that their work was of more use to the war effort. This didn't effect the Derby Scheme lads as they had already indicated as Volunteers that they would serve no matter what, but their social status obviously decreed which Group they were placed in and when they would be called up. For instance if I remember correctly 19year old's, who were single, were placed in Group 1 and so on.

Later Army Council Instructions would relay to administrators which Conscripted Groups would be called forward and which sections of the Army they would serve in. All-in-all both schemes worked very well in supplying men for the front, as it was the fairest way in which to see the men distributed.

Edited by Graham Stewart
Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Blog Comments

    • Sounds great other than the Orange & Mango squash only because I prefer cran-pomegranate juice.
    • "(...) disgusting herbal concoction (...)" I took note of this description, to enrich my otherwise limited, English "Wortschatz"...
    • At work the standard indian tea such as PG tips is referred to as chimp tea. This goes back to the days when we had a Spanish girl working for us whose command of the English language was extremely limited. One lunch she said she was going to the shop could she get anything. I asked if she could get a pack of tea bags. She returned with some disgusting herbal concoction. I tried to explain what was required but without success. I then remembered PG tips had a picture of a chimpanzee on the packe
    • When I read Lapsang Souchong i decided to post something about these Tea . Many years ago I dont  know about Lapsang until I read James Michener book Centennial and the description of the savour of the Lapasang as a mix of tar and salt & smoked made me proof . It was exact ! and i liked it since then .
    • I have been known to drink Lapsang Souchong and Tea, Earl Grey, Hot... both "without pollutants". I normally have one mug of coffee in the morning, then spend the rest of the day drinking Orange & Mango squash (by the pint). Then evening comes and it's a pint, followed by red wine with dinner and sometimes a drop of Laphroaig afterwards.
×
×
  • Create New...