walle Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi Y'all parently is a very interesting doc-grouping from a u-boat-member and holder of the DKiG for sale on miltaria321.com. Here is the link to it http://www.militaria321.com/auktionsdetails.cfm interesting question for me is the date of the award (08.06.1945). Based on the german law about war awards no award after 08.05.1945 was allowed. In his Soldbuch and 'Führungsbücher' are entries about the u-boat badge, u-boat-clasp bronze, silver and both classes of the IC. In this case this brave former member of U 751 served after the war in the german navy again. In his german navy Wehrpaß is now also an entry about the DKiG. There is also a pic from him in his navy uniform with his medal bar (mod. 57) where the DKiG is clearly visible. Any comments or information about this unusual case are wellcome greetings Walle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Walle, Your link only seems to go to the home page for Militaria 321, not to this specific lot. Need to know the item number or at least the key word for a search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Walle, Your link only seems to go to the home page for Militaria 321, not to this specific lot. Need to know the item number or at least the key word for a search. Item nr.: 0005635267 U-Boot – Deutscher Kreuz Nachlass……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Looks like a nice set. There are several DK winners who are not acknowledged in any of the books so-far published. The fact that he can be seen to be wearing the miniature 57er DK on his ribbon bar and the entry for the award is in his Bundeswehr Wehrpass suggests that he was officially accepted as being entitled to the award. I can only guess that some documentation was found which supported the fact that the award was granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walle Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 Hi Gordon, thanks for your reply to this thread and sorry for the problem with the link. This grouping is/was discussed in some german collectors forum (SDA /MFF) but you have to be registered to see the pics. Veit Scherzer has listed him in his book about the DKiG holders and I know that Veit Scherzer has listed only the proven awards. So the date after the end of the war remebered me at awards of the IC for removing landmines in Norway. The german minesweaper unit (GMSA) in Norway started under british command right after the offical end of the war. Klöcker served as on several minesweaper units in the Bundesmarine from 1957 on. Could it be that he got his DKiG for that duty ? Besides this I've never seen a Leistungsbuch from a crew member of a u-boat. In this grouping a two of them. Where there in the property of the soldier during the war like a Soldbuch, because there are all the same entries about awards and sea commands as in a Soldbuch. greetings Walle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 This is 99% DKiG Holder: Das Deutsche Kreuz 1941 -1945 Geschichte und Inhaber Band II seite 235 / Klaus Patzwall nad Veit Scherzer + Base confirmed from BA + opinion of Bogdan Melnik + Photo's ... The question is : What will be the price ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) U 120 Crew List & DKiG Holder - Josef Klocker http://www.ubootwaff...y=1;boatnum=120 Edited October 18, 2009 by DDD777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 U 455 Crew List & The DKIG Holder - Josef Klocker http://www.ubootwaffe.net/crews/crews.cgi?uquery=1;boatnum=455 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 U 751 Crew List & DKiG Holder - Josef Klocker http://www.ubootwaffe.net/crews/crews.cgi?uquery=1;boatnum=751 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 U 751 Crew List & DKiG Holder - Josef Klocker (extreme right) http://www.ubootwaffe.net/crews/crews.cgi?uquery=1;boatnum=953 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Josef Klocker with 57DK http://www.ww2awards.com/person/14764 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 U 455 http://www.ubootwaffe.net/ops/boat.cgi?boat=455 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 U 751 http://www.ubootwaffe.net/ops/boat.cgi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 U 953 http://www.ubootwaffe.net/crews/crews.cgi?uquery=1;boatnum=953 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) Klöcker Josef OMaschMt 03.10.1918 U-120. U-751. U-455. U-953 Awards : U-boat Badge. E.K.2. E.K.1. DKiG.08.06.45. Edited October 18, 2009 by DDD777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walle Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share Posted October 18, 2009 Hi Bogdan interesting pics. Have you bought the grouping ? I saw that it was not sold at militarie321.com. greetings Walle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Hi Bogdan interesting pics. Have you bought the grouping ? I saw that it was not sold at militarie321.com. greetings Walle Hi Walle, usually Bogdan use ,,Cook'' on forums (if you mean Bogdan Melnik from Moskow) Pics are from Klockers WA Albom. Yes i bought the grouping. Yes it was not sold at 321. Regards, Dobri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walle Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share Posted October 18, 2009 Hi Dobri, congratulations for this outstanding grouping and sorry for the misunderstanding with 'Bogdan'. Imo a very interesting peace of german navy history. Hope you'll post that grouping here greetings Walle Hi Walle, usually Bogdan use ,,Cook'' on forums (if you mean Bogdan Melnik from Moskow) Pics are from Klockers WA Albom. Yes i bought the grouping. Yes it was not sold at 321. Regards, Dobri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Hi Dobri, congratulations for this outstanding grouping and sorry for the misunderstanding with 'Bogdan'. Imo a very interesting peace of german navy history. Hope you'll post that grouping here greetings Walle Hi again Walle, no problem. Of course i post it, but there is over 100 mb files and over 160 photos and GMIC att. limits are 110k/1msg I take a week Regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 OK, lets try to start ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 http://www.ubootwaffe.net/ops/boat.cgi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 http://www.uboat.net/boats/u120.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 http://www.uboat.net/men/bauer.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-120_(1940) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD777 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Bilderseiten/UBoote/U120.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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