Jan Arne S Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Back of unmarked Destroyer Badge . Jan Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Hi Jan Arne I would agree it looks like a Lüdenscheid design. The interesting thing for me is the finish. This bright gilt which many people would think is because of postwar "restoration" can be found on original mint condition badges by Funcke & Brüninghaus - also from Lüdenscheid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Hello! Gordon Interesting information. All the best Morten H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Arne S Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Indeed a interesting maker for KM Badges , Gordon ! I think to many "experts" ar not willing to look at other makers then the Makers they know about on searten Badges . And for me the Destroyer is not refinished ! Jan Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm F Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 Indeed a interesting maker for KM Badges , Gordon ! I think to many "experts" ar not willing to look at other makers then the Makers they know about on searten Badges . And for me the Destroyer is not refinished ! Jan Arne Hi Guys, Here's another zincer in the same design, but with a flat back instead of dish back and not as nice as Jan Arne's. Same design as the G.W.L. tombak badge which Gordon previously showed may have been used by Deumer (or at least by another Lüdenscheid producer) as well. It has the same hardware as Jan Arne's and the hardware is gilt as well. So the Lüdenscheid connection certainly seems likely. But who owned the master die? (I guess just a rhetorical question at this time!) Best regards, ---Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 One of the nicest I've seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Norm F Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Another fabulous posting. Thanks very much Gordon! Two questions: 1) Is that a waffle-head hinge-pin? 2) Is the flat wire catch in the shape of the rounded "C" or the flat-bottomed "C"? Best regards, ---Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hi Norm, Its a flat bottomed "C" and a plain smooth headed pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm F Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hi Norm, Its a flat bottomed "C" and a plain smooth headed pin. Thanks Gordon, There are exceptions but my impression is that generally the dome-head pins correlate with the round-bottomed "C" catch (probably earlier) and the smooth flat-heads or waffle-heads (or no-heads) correlate with the flat-bottomed "C" catches. This seems to apply across the Schwerin badge lines. Has that been your observation as well? Cheers. ---Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Z Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Thanks Gordon, There are exceptions but my impression is that generally the dome-head pins correlate with the round-bottomed "C" catch (probably earlier) and the smooth flat-heads or waffle-heads (or no-heads) correlate with the flat-bottomed "C" catches. This seems to apply across the Schwerin badge lines. Has that been your observation as well? Cheers. ---Norm Hi Norm, According to my observations I'd rather say that round-bottomed "C" catch is in fact correlated with dome-head hinge pins but later (zincer-like) flat-bottomed "C" catches could be met with all types of hinge pin heads and situated on both sides of the hinge. This is at least true in Schwerin's minesweeper line. Cheers, Hubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm F Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hi Norm, According to my observations I'd rather say that round-bottomed "C" catch is in fact correlated with dome-head hinge pins but later (zincer-like) flat-bottomed "C" catches could be met with all types of hinge pin heads and situated on both sides of the hinge. This is at least true in Schwerin's minesweeper line. Cheers, Hubert Hi Hubert, Sounds good. Is it not also fair to say that the flat-bottomed "C" catches are much less commonly paired with dome-head hinge pins than with flat-heads? ---Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Z Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hi Hubert, Sounds good. Is it not also fair to say that the flat-bottomed "C" catches are much less commonly paired with dome-head hinge pins than with flat-heads? ---Norm Hi Norm, I would tend to say the opposite - flat-headed hinge pin, with or without crosshatching, or simply 'beheaded' paired with flat-bottomed "C" catches are still less common. But this is mu subjective opinion, might be wrong. Cheers, Hubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm F Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) Hi Norm, I would tend to say the opposite - flat-headed hinge pin, with or without crosshatching, or simply 'beheaded' paired with flat-bottomed "C" catches are still less common. But this is mu subjective opinion, might be wrong. Cheers, Hubert Hi Hubert, Just to be clear, I'm not saying the flat-bottomed "C" catches are more common than the round-bottomed "C" catches (quite the opposite since round "C"s predominate and therefore so do dome-head hinge pins); I was suggesting that within the sub-category of badges with flat-bottomed "C" catches, the dome-head hinge pins are less common than flat/waffle/beheaded collectively. But as you say, it's subjective without collecting a large series so I too could be wrong. Regards, ---Norm Edited January 28, 2011 by Norm F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Z Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hi Hubert, Just to be clear, I'm not saying the flat-bottomed "C" catches are more common than the round-bottomed "C" catches (quite the opposite since round "C"s predominate and therefore so do dome-head hinge pins); I was suggesting that within the sub-category of badges with flat-bottomed "C" catches, the dome-head hinge pins are less common than flat/waffle/beheaded collectively. But as you say, it's subjective without collecting a large series so I too could be wrong. Regards, ---Norm Hi Norm, Sorry, I was not precise enough. In my previous post I was refering only to flat-bottomed "C" catches subcategory, and agree that in this case it's very hard to tell individualy without a risk of being wrong. Only a number of individual opinions may secure its correctness or long years in this hobby which I lack, unfortunately. Here is another opinion from Mike's great article: http://members.iinet.net.au/~datumgeo/Schwerin-Article-Sectioned/7HingePinCatch/Schwerin_HSF-HingePinCatch.htm Cheers, Hubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm F Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Here is another opinion from Mike's great article: http://members.iinet...ngePinCatch.htm Cheers, Hubert In Mike's article on the Flotten-Kriegsabzeichen you see just we expect the statistics to suggest -- i.e. dome-head hinge pin associated with the round-bottomed "C", and flat or no-head hinge pins associated with the flat-bottomed "C". There are probably a few flat-bottomed "C"s out there somewhere paired with leftover dome-headed hinge pins (and I think somewhere I may have seen a minesweeper like that), but I expect them to be the exception rather than the rule. You and I will just have to keep track of all the badges we see with attention to this detail! Best regards, ---Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Z Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 In Mike's article on the Flotten-Kriegsabzeichen you see just we expect the statistics to suggest -- i.e. dome-head hinge pin associated with the round-bottomed "C", and flat or no-head hinge pins associated with the flat-bottomed "C". There are probably a few flat-bottomed "C"s out there somewhere paired with leftover dome-headed hinge pins (and I think somewhere I may have seen a minesweeper like that), but I expect them to be the exception rather than the rule. You and I will just have to keep track of all the badges we see with attention to this detail! Best regards, ---Norm Hi Norm, Agree, it is very resonable explanation In my database I have two examples of minesweepers with flat-bottomed "C"s paired with dome-headed hinge pins. I'll try to post the pics. Cheers, Hubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Z Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 More pics - second one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm F Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 More pics - second one. Hi Hubert, Please show the obverse of that last one. It looks like a beauty! Best regards, ---Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Z Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 As requested. Unfortunately, can't recall where I got it from... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Z Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2011/post-10680-0-89844800-1296325414.jpgobverse from an angle Edited January 29, 2011 by Bubba_Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Z Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 reverse from an angle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Z Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Z Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 and the last pic - the http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2011/post-10680-0-56273600-1296325863.jpghinge. Cheers, Hubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Arne S Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Hi Guys ! Just got this unmarked Destroyer Badge . S&L ? Jan Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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