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Updated my serials numbers spreadsheet and it's amazing how the awarding of the SB's progressed:

- first 100: took almost 15 years

- next 100: took roughly 5 years

- next 100: took around 1 year!

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Fascinating numbers, Bob. Mind if I quote you? I'm doing a display on the SB at this years OMSA.

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No problem, these are public domain numbers as far as I am concerned. Maybe good to refer to GMIC though (whatever gets more Mongolia enthusiasts over here). Here's my up to date list for SB (with some additions on the low end related to a special Partisan):

Order of Suche Baatar 1 1941

Order of Suche Baatar 24 1946

Order of Suche Baatar 31 1949

Order of Suche Baatar 48 17/10/1951

Order of Suche Baatar 86 26/05/1955

Order of Suche Baatar 114 29/12/1955

Order of Suche Baatar 158 24/10/1957

Order of Suche Baatar 166 29/05/1957

Order of Suche Baatar 186 6/07/1960

Order of Suche Baatar 242 24/12/1959

Order of Suche Baatar 340 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 341 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 342 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 343 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 344 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 383 27/10/1961

Order of Suche Baatar 423 28/11/1962

Order of Suche Baatar 470 13/12/1963

Order of Suche Baatar 500 18/05/1965

Order of Suche Baatar 541 1966

Order of Suche Baatar 542 1966

Order of Suche Baatar 558 1966

Order of Suche Baatar 586 1968

Order of Suche Baatar 588 1968

Order of Suche Baatar 589 1968

Order of Suche Baatar 591 1968

Order of Suche Baatar 605 13/06/1968

Order of Suche Baatar 612 10/11/1968

Order of Suche Baatar 642 12/08/1969

Order of Suche Baatar 684 15/10/1969

Order of Suche Baatar 692 1969

Order of Suche Baatar 695 18/12/1969

Order of Suche Baatar 747 12/03/1971

Order of Suche Baatar 803 5/07/1971

Order of Suche Baatar 885 2/07/1971

Order of Suche Baatar 919 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 922 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 923 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 924 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 925 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 927 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 928 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 931 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 932 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 933 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 937 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 989 1973

Order of Suche Baatar 1.123 1975

Order of Suche Baatar 1.255 14/12/1975

Order of Suche Baatar 1.335 1978

Order of Suche Baatar 1.404 22/10/1980

Order of Suche Baatar 1.412 2/12/1980

Order of Suche Baatar 1.462 8/06/1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.463 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.465 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.491 9/07/1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.530 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.532 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.548 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.562 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.715 1986

Order of Suche Baatar 1.770 11/11/1989

Order of Suche Baatar 1.934 23/10/1996

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Two more to add to the list from our NJ friend.

JC

#684 with case $4450

#1388 $3200

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Yes. The lowest recorded pinback is still 813 (with 788 the screwback high, so we have a narrow "window).

Aha, that's the post I was looking for:)

Just had a pinback 816 offered to me. Near miss:)

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Aha, that's the post I was looking for:)

Just had a pinback 816 offered to me. Near miss:)

Same here, and at first I thought the serial number might have been 919.

Just turned out ot be really bad scans, but that would have been fun.

JC

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#1254 just sold on ebay for a nice low price of $1775....

Enamel in good condition but Mr. Sukh had his face rearranged.

this is fun though.....

#1255 14/12/1975 Brezhnev, Leonid Ilitsh, Marshal USSR (with HS MPR)

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http://www.dum.mn/downloads/ndu_mongolia_2008_nov.pdf

Nice confirmation that Mongolia follows the practice of the Soviets in awaring organisations as well as individuals.

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Pinback nr. 1916 is now auctioned on eBay with a starting bid of 1,500 euro.

140357670215

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140357670215

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Fascinating numbers, Bob. Mind if I quote you? I'm doing a display on the SB at this years OMSA.

Ed - congratulations on your award winning OMSA display. Maybe ( :whistle: ) you can show us some pics of it? :cheers:

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Not here, alas. Will send direct.

Dear Ed ,

If you can send me also , i will be very pleased , info@avsaribar.com

Sincere Regards,

Avsar Ibar

http://www.turkishmedals.com

Edited by avsaribar

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Screwback nr 607 - are these cracks in the enamel, or is this a manufacturing variation?

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Recession? What recession?

Screwback nr 607 for sale on collectrussia.com for 4900 USD

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2082 - very high screwback!

http://mongolia.at.ua/index/0-18

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Looking for the following:

Order of Sukh Baatar 48

Order of Sukh Baatar 86

Order of Sukh Baatar 605

Order of Sukh Baatar 695

Order of Sukh Baatar 1770

Please give a shout if you have either of these.

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And this is my  ;) 

Yeiks - that's a HIGH number! :cheers:

Does the order show any wear, or is it maybe a non-awarded one?

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"...or is it maybe a non-awarded one?"

Bob, aren't these still being awarded nowadays?

Well, at least that's the info I had a couple of years ago directly from the source... unless that changed in the meantime.

When I bought #2006, back in 2004 I guess, it was already out there, years before the bank thing...

Cheers,

Dolf

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"...or is it maybe a non-awarded one?"

Bob, aren't these still being awarded nowadays?

Well, at least that's the info I had a couple of years ago directly from the source... unless that changed in the meantime.

When I bought #2006, back in 2004 I guess, it was already out there, years before the bank thing...

Cheers,

Dolf

Hi Dolf, good to see you back :cheers:

I guess (not sure off top of my head) they are still awarded. If they are, it still leaves the question: are they awarding "classic" SB's (using up old stock) or are they issuing new ones? And how many of those "classic" SB's are out there? Are the new ones identical to the classic ones? etc.

In any case, monstr is right: super order! :jumping:

From your post, it would appear that your 2006 is an awarded one then... but it still leaves the question of when the bank thing happened and unawarded ones came on the market

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This place could use a bit of liveliness!

My box full of treasures is out of the vault and spending the night at home - here's a pic of some of it - my beloved SB's (6 screwbacks of which one with doc, 2 pinbacks, and one rather ugly "thing"):

Also, updated list of SB's which I am actively looking for in order to reunite with documents/group in my hands:

Order of Sukh Baatar 48

Order of Sukh Baatar 86

Order of Sukh Baatar 500

Order of Sukh Baatar 605

Order of Sukh Baatar 695

Order of Sukh Baatar 1770

Please PM me if you have any of the above SB's in your hands!

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WOW! Man, that is the largest stock of S-Bs I've ever seen all reunited in one single hand!!! :speechless:

Just to check if I still have "eagle eyes" for these things: the "ugly thing" you mention (one of those recent ones, right?) is the one on top (at 12 o'clock) right?

"I guess (not sure off top of my head) they are still awarded. If they are, it still leaves the question: are they awarding "classic" SB's (using up old stock) or are they issuing new ones?"

Good question.

Well, if only guessing what would have been logical (or at least seems logical to me), they would have probably awarded the "classic" ones until the stock was over, then started awarding the "ugly" ones (I only had one once for a short period in my hands, then returned back to the source; ugly thing indeed!). Don't have that info anymore, I'm sure it will help if you know (and I'm sure you do) the date the new ones have been manufactured. And then "la cerise sur le gâteau" would be knowing the date they started being awarded.

But of course not eveything is logical, so sure other options are possible.

"And how many of those "classic" SB's are out there?"

You mean in collectors' hands?

If so, you alone have these nine (amazing :P ), plus you count at least two for each of most hardcore collectors known here, plus one-two for some of those guys we all know from where they are sold (eBay, other auctions, private dealers, etc), plus those sitting on dealers sites right now, and I guess you get a good idea of the actual number.

If you mean not only all these mentioned above, but also those still in their real (by merit, after all) owners' hands, the awardees, then the highest known/reported S/Ns would help.

"Are the new ones identical to the classic ones?"

In which way? Sure not in quality, as we already know.

Prestige? Guess in some cases still the same as before (imho probably most of those awarded to civilian, either artists, or all other cases), but obviously if you got it for deeds that took place in the old war days, or if you got it more recently, still for military, for 50 years in the Army or so... imho not the same prestige...

"From your post, it would appear that your 2006 is an awarded one then..."

Would be my guess, but who knows?

Your next question partially asks this one.

"...but it still leaves the question of when the bank thing happened and unawarded ones came on the market"

I've already known that, just can't remember it now.

That's an easy info for you to get, just ask... you know... ;)

"Also, updated list of SB's which I am actively looking for..."

Wow! If one day you manage to get them all, that would make 15 S-Bs in your hands... :speechless1:

Sorry, as far as I remember none of those have been in my hands, nor do I remember seing one of them around...

Dolf

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