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ORDER OF THE POLAR STAR

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The Polar Star isn't chaotic, it's just "different" :P

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OK, let us try:

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Order of the Polar Star A31/A32):

185/1804 1936

88 06/07/1946

822 23/09/1946

1,162 17/10/1951

1,217 04/12/1955

1,225 6/09/1944

1,562 08/07/1947

1,956 29/11/1955

2,265 3/11/1945

2,506 30/12/1956

2,705 08/12/1948

2,946 08/07/1950

1,217 03/12/1955

3,079 16/01/1957

3,301 1956

3,553 08/07/1947

3,917 30/12/1956

4,832 06/11/1956

4,948 08/12/1948

5,901 20/07/1946

6,133 16/02/1956

6,335 24/05/1950

6,453 10/11/1956

8,143 15/11/1958

9,013 14/12/1957

9,138 14/07/1960

10,358 25/08/1961

11,340 18/05/1965

11,611 00/03/1966

13,376 01/12/1969

14,236 03/07/1971

14,292 03/06/1971

14,718 12/03/1973

15,860 03/07/1971

18,389 19/10/1976

19,735 01/12/1979

25,483 03/04/1980

26,734 19/11/1990

27,017 03/07/1991

28,321 18/04/1995

29,034 29/11/1998

29,893 6-xx-2000

31,529 21/11/2001

Potentially, much of interest here. Make of it what you will/can.

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So I've got a bit of a problem.

I just got this documented type 2, and I'm a little unsure as to what the actual award date is.

I've added the numbers in as best I can and as you can see there are two, 4 digit numbers and two dates. Which is which?

For comparison I've included Bob's Type 2 document which is exactly the same as mine, including the two signatures on page three.

Above the suspected serial numbers I've written "ser." These two numbers also correspond to the serial numbers on the awards (2082 and 1774) so that's a pretty safe bet.

The date remains a bit of a mystery though.

In my doc. there are three dates, two of which are the same. One date can be found on page one and page two, year 44, month 9 , day 6. That would make it 1954! The second date is on page three and that is (Year 34, month 4, day 3) this would seem the most likely date for the award, 1944. But what are the other dates and numbers for?

Help!

JC

ps. the bottom one is mine (1774), and more of Bobs doc. can be seen on the first/second page of this thread

Edited by fjcp

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And now for the interesting bit. It's a Type 2.4!!! :jumping:

And the fun doesn't stop there. There is an "X" engraved at 10 o'clock and a hand engraved mintmark was removed from the 8 o'clock position!

The polar star never fails to entertain that's for sure!!!

JC

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Look this one.

The current ugly-nasty variety, USAF, apparently unnumbered so likely escapee from stock (type 4.3).

Edited by Ed_Haynes

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Hi Gents,

I have decided to offer my Polar Star for sale at this forum before offering it else where.

My dear gents have the first option to buy this breast star.

Kind regards,

Jacky

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So I've got a bit of a problem.

I just got this documented type 2, and I'm a little unsure as to what the actual award date is.

I've added the numbers in as best I can and as you can see there are two, 4 digit numbers and two dates. Which is which?

For comparison I've included Bob's Type 2 document which is exactly the same as mine, including the two signatures on page three.

Above the suspected serial numbers I've written "ser." These two numbers also correspond to the serial numbers on the awards (2082 and 1774) so that's a pretty safe bet.

The date remains a bit of a mystery though.

In my doc. there are three dates, two of which are the same. One date can be found on page one and page two, year 44, month 9 , day 6. That would make it 1954! The second date is on page three and that is (Year 34, month 4, day 3) this would seem the most likely date for the award, 1944. But what are the other dates and numbers for?

Help!

JC

ps. the bottom one is mine (1774), and more of Bobs doc. can be seen on the first/second page of this thread

OK, I have been able to get some information on these two documents. And very interesting they are!

1- (shown below)

Recipient is Delger Yadamsuren.

The award section reads "for the defense efforts of the country and for the brave fight in the battle of Khalhin Gol in year 28 (1939), the Order of Polar Star is awarded."

:jumping::speechless1::jumping:

Edited by Ed_Haynes

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And 2:

Awarded to Ihig Sharavdagva.

And the circumstances were "for active participation in the action of sending gifts to the Red Army, the Order of Polar Star is awarded."

Nice!! :jumping:

Edited by Ed_Haynes

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And 2:

Awarded to Ihig Sharavdagva.

And the circumstances were "for active participation in the action of sending gifts to the Red Army, the Order of Polar Star is awarded."

Nice!! :jumping:

Ed,I can't thank you enough!!!

I really appreciate you getting this translated! :jumping:

I wonder though what exactly " sending gifts" refers to but I'm very happy all the same!

These two documents are the perfect example of why RESEARCH is so wonderful and invaluable!

I can't wait 'till research becomes on option!! Who knows what we'll find.. A Khalhin Gol vet. perhaps! :rolleyes:

Great stuff!!

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The order of the polar Star, which I sold to Sergei,

althoug with quite a hassle and stupid mistakes, but after all

things got fixed.

I think Sergei likes your opinion on this one too.

kind regards,

Jacky

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the last image is the same as the first, except that it had been washed with soap.

kind regards,

Jacky

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WARNING - Rectification of Names follows!

Well, to make things a bit more complex, the name of this order is the "Order of the Polar Star" only in our habituated English translation. The real name, in Mongolian, it is the "Algan Gadas Odon" (whether in Cyrillic or Mongol Bichig), and this translates better into English as the "Order of the Golden Stake" or the "Order of the Golden Nail" or the "Order of the Golden Pole". (Maybe it's all the same, maybe not. Accuracy is important?) Given the stupid locker-room jokes that surround the unfortunate common translation of the real name of what is called in English the "Order of the Precious Rod", it may be better that we continue to use a flawed translation for this one?

:rolleyes:

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Order of the precious rod......

That makes me thinking of the "extase of the Holy saint Theresa"

But that's :off topic:

Kind regards,

Jacky

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In an effort to breathe some life back into the forum, thought I'd share some eye-candy of major types.

Serial numbers:

792 / 9

5146 / 24139 (pinback) / 32921

Edited by Ed_Haynes

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See, if they had kept the initial design, I wouldn't be so confused. Drop-dead gorgeous.

I think anything less than the correct, translated name would be an insult to Mongolians everywhere. Childish comments be damned.

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I think anything less than the correct, translated name would be an insult to Mongolians everywhere. Childish comments be damned.

In the next edition, Battushig will be including the real names (in Mongolian) and new linguistically accurate translations.

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:jumping: Compliments of Ed (THANKS ED!!!)...

...Order of the Polar Star Type 2 Variation 1 serial number 2271 :jumping:

:beer: Doc

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Update on typology and serial number ranges. The confusion thrives.

Type 1 (Screwback; МОНДВОР mintmark; long oval design with two red banners, ~300 awarded) - Low = 316/High = 792

Type 2.1 (Screwback; upward-curved МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom) - Low = 9/High = 2831

Type 2.2 (Screwback; downward-curved МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN directly below screwpost) - Low = 1151/

High = 2878

Type 2.3 (Screwback; no mintmark; Uighur; SN at 7 o?clock) - Low = 1562/High = ????

Type 2.4 (Screwback; hand-engraved МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom) - Low = 1710/High = 1776

Type 3.1 (Screwback; Cyrillic; slightly concave reverse; SN at 7 o'clock) - Low = 2/High = 6952

Type 3.2 (Screwback; Cyrillic; flat reverse; SN directly below screwpost) - Low = 5094/High = 9941

Type 3.3 (Screwback; Cyrillic; flat reverse; SN at 6 o'clock) - Low = 10007/High = 15000

Type 4.1 (Pinback, silver) - Low = 15015/High = 30426

Type 4.2 (pinback, bronze) - Low = 31650/High = 39785

Type 4.3 (pinback, bronze, no serial number, unawarded escapee?)

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Am visiting Volgograd right now and - unfortunately - not much to find so far in terms of medals... although oddly enough I've come by a boatload of overpriced run of the mill Mongolian awards... incl quite some polar stars and even a Deputat badge

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How fitting that this is the most read thread on the Mongolian forum:)

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Makes sense, gven the many joys, and frustrations, of this award!!

:beer:

Edited by Ed_Haynes

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