order_of_victory Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Just spotted this on ebay and thought that you may intrested to see this:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A%3AIT&rd=1Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 (edited) Just spotted this on ebay and thought that you may intrested to see this:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A%3AIT&rd=1Order of VictoryThis/those have been there for quite some time now.The pic of the front is not of the same piece shown on the pic of the reverse.The pic of the front is of Order #161. I know because I took the pic of the piece shown on the obverse pic, as on the obverse/reverse pic shown at the bottom of the page.Dolf Edited July 20, 2006 by Dolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Anybody with a plausible explanation of why there has yet to appear a booklet for these awards?Perhaps thousands were produced but only a VERY limited number were actually awarded? I.e. we're all buying "souvenirs" from the state mint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Which is exactly why I bought the lowest serial number I had seen yet! #88. Hoping to one day discover it was actually awarded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Until VERY recently, booklets have been retained by the families or otherwise separated. While many that we have seen recently are unissued items from that flood from the state bank, many were issued. Only a more detailed look at the booklets will give us a sense of the issued ranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Just to update known types/ranges:1st awardType 1.1 (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost); Low = 50/High = 2794Type 1.2 (as above, but with Cyrillic ?B? mintmartk); Low = 1871/High = 1901Type 2.1 (Pinback 3 rivets; SN at 12 o'clock); Low = 3160/High = 4449Type 2.2 (Pinback 2 rivets; SN at 5 o'clock); Low = 4685/High = 5380Type 3.1 (pinback, bronze); Low = 5512/High = 5607Type 3.2 (pinback, bronze, unnumbered, escapee?) 2nd awardScrewback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost ? perhaps 40 awarded?; Low = 12/High = 3983rd awardScrewback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost ? perhaps 10-15 awarded?; Low = 5/High = 2004th awardScrewback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost ?perhaps 4-5 awarded?; Low = 3/High = 86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Two new additions, interesting mostly for the serial numbers (which, with long screw-posts, may not scan well -- do I need to drag out the camera?), which arelow enough to fall within the "probably awarded" ranges (unlike most of what we see!). When/if research becomes available, . . . . First, a third award, # 5. This one is cased, and a larger and more solid case than we are used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 And a fourth award, # 3. I really have my fingers crossed over the future research possibilities of this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Here a nice one as well which recently found its way in my "shoebox full of Mongolian stuff". Came without a booklet so it's nice that it did come with a case to keep it nice and warm4 rivets, serial number under screwpostserial number 2.369I have to say, these Mongolian orders never let you down. The design, quality and sheer size / weight are extremely nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Beautiful, aren't they! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 (edited) In the (unlikely) event anyone still reads these threads, here is a typology and serial number update on this whole series:A 21/M 5.1 -- THE ORDER OF MILITARY VALOR1st award (small star, 3 maker?s marks, no s/n) 2nd award (Arabic number ?2? at bottom) 3rd award (Arabic number ?3? at bottom) 4th award (Arabic number ?4? at bottom) ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOUR A 21.2/M 5.2 -- 1st award -- Type 1 (large star, МОНДВОР, s/n No) -- Low = 188/High = 613Type 2 (large star, МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР, s/n No) -- Low = 318/High = ??A 21.3 -- 2nd award -- (large star, Mongolian number 2) -- Low = ??/High = ??3rd award -- (large star, Mongolian number 3, not seen?) -- Low = ??/High = ??4th award -- (large star, Mongolian number 4, not seen?) -- Low = ??/High = ?? ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOURA 22.1?/M 6.1 -- 1st awardType 1.1 (МОНДВОР mintmark; 3 rivets) -- Low = 110/High = ???Type 1.2 (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; 3 rivets) -- Low= 44/High=212Type 1.3.1 (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; 4 rivets; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom) -- Low = 306/High = 2401Type 1.3.2 (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; 4 rivets; SN directly below screwpost) -- Low = 1007/High = 2581A 22.2/M 6.2 -- 2nd award -- Low = 53/High = 56A 22.3/M 6.3 -- 3rd award -- Low = ??/High = ??A 22.4/M 6.4 -- 4th award (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom; 4 rivets) -- Low = 74/High = 150 ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOURA 23.1?/M 7.1.1 -- 1st awardType 1.1 (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost) -- Low = 50/High = 2794Type 1.2 (as above, but with Cyrillic ?B? mintmark) -- Low = 1871/High = 1901A 24.1/M 7.2 -- Type 2.1 (Pinback 3 rivets; SN at 12 o'clock) -- Low = 3160/High = 4449A 24.1/M 7.2 -- Type 2.2 (Pinback 2 rivets; SN at 5 o'clock) -- Low = 4685/High = 5380A 24.2 -- Type 3.1 (pinback, bronze) -- Low = 5512/High = 5607Type 3.2 (pinback, bronze, unnumbered, escapee?) A 23.2/M 7.1.2 -- 2nd award -- (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost ? perhaps 40 awarded?) -- Low = 12/High = 398A 23.3/M 71.3 -- 3rd award -- (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost ? perhaps 10-15 awarded?) -- Low = 5/High = 200A 23.4/M 7.1.4 -- 4th award -- (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost ? perhaps 4-5 awarded?) -- Low = 3/High = 86 Edited November 12, 2006 by Ed_Haynes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Weird pricing currently in the market...4th awarding - odd!- 2.500 USD for nr 3 on alexei's site- 3.400 USD for nr 55 on collectrussia- 1.750 USD for nr 86 on collectrussia3rd awarding - market aligned- 1.350 USD for nr 125 on alexei's site- 1.350 USD for nr 167 on alexei's site- 1.300 USD for nr 198 on collectrussia2nd awarding - odd!- 960 USD for nr 85 on alexei's site- 950 USD for nr 103 on alexei's site- 650 USD for nr 191 on collectrussia- 930 USD for nr 383 on alexei's site (incl. box) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 When I get one of these, I have tried very hard to keep the serial number under 100.... but reviewing one of Ed's other recent postings about "actual awarded" I balked at Alexei's number 85, second award. Two reasons. It wasn't boxed (my other picayune detail) and about 2X higher than what we know has been awarded so far...I know, odd.... but an un-serial numbered piece always had the potential to be something awarded, in my eyes..... but when I know up front it came out of a bank vault.... my interest wanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here is the only known data point for the Order of the Red Banner of Combay Valor (A23/A24):5,348 09/08/1999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 (edited) In an effort to breathe some life back into the forum, thought I'd share some eye-candy of major types.No first type (yet); sorry (I really am!). And ignoring the numbered awards for subsequent awardings.Serial numbers:323 / 18673194 (pinback) / 5607 Edited March 27, 2007 by Ed_Haynes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Nice progression Ed. I especially like the earliest one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Nice progression Ed. I especially like the earliest one.Ohhh . . . how I wish I had the earliest one. Negotiations proceed, slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 The numbered badges of the A 23 variety. These are cranky to scan, sorry.Serial numbers:1867 / 353 (2)161 (3) / 3 (4)Are these real awarded specimens or mere bank escapees? We may know this fall. Cross fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I have in my collection:T1: Screwback - 3 rivets # 50, 704, 1871, 1876, 1974, 22442nd award # 12, 98, 224, 2483rd award # 106, 110, 1684th award # 86I've noticed some of these serial numbers in my collection!Collecting community is such a small field, this stuff just keeps changing hands... William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 A new high for type 2.2 (and my first of this variety ) -- 5392 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Also Compliments of Ed!!! My first Order of the Red Banner of Combat Valour. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 It has had a hard life, but . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megan Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 This is the 3rd type, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 This is the 3rd type, isn't it?Actually, it is far more complex.See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4240&st=110This, as I recall, is a Red Banner of Military Valor (1945--), the fourth major variety, a type 1.1. But in poor condition.To clarify and update the typology referenced above (with Battushig references):THE ORDER OF MILITARY VALOR (1926-31)1st award (small star, 3 maker?s marks, no s/n) - A 21 2nd award (Arabic number ?2? at bottom) 3rd award (Arabic number ?3? at bottom) 4th award (Arabic number ?4? at bottom) ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOUR (1931-40)1st award:-- Type 1 (large star, МОНДВОР, s/n No) - Low = 188/High = 613 - A 21.2-- Type 2 (large star, МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР, s/n No) - Low = 318/High = ?? 2nd award (large star, Mongolian number 2) - Low = ??/High = 69 - A 21.3 3rd award (large star, Mongolian number 3, not seen?) - Low = ??/High = ?? 4th award - (large star, Mongolian number 4, not seen?) - Low = ??/High = ?? ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOUR (1940-45)1st award:-- Type 1.1 (МОНДВОР mintmark; 3 rivets) - Low = 110/High = ??? - A 22.1? -- Type 1.2 (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; 3 rivets) - Low= 44/High=212 -- Type 1.3.1 (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; 4 rivets; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom) - Low = 306/High = 2401 -- Type 1.3.2 (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; 4 rivets; SN directly below screwpost) - Low = 1007/High = 2581 2nd award - Low = 53/High = 56 - A 22.2 3rd award - Low = ??/High = ?? - A 22.3 4th award (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom; 4 rivets) - Low = 74/High = 150 - A 22.4 ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOUR (1945--) 1st award:-- Type 1.1 (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost) - Low = 50/High = 2794 - A 23.1 -- Type 1.2 (as above, but with Cyrillic ?B? mintmark) - Low = 1332/High = 1901 -- Type 2.1 (Pinback 3 rivets; SN at 12 o'clock) - Low = 3160/High = 4449 - A 24.1 -- Type 2.2 (Pinback 2 rivets; SN at 5 o'clock) - Low = 4685/High = 5380 -- Type 3.1 (pinback, bronze) - Low = 5512/High = 5607 - A 24.2 -- Type 3.2 (pinback, bronze, unnumbered, escapee?) 2nd award (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost ? perhaps 40 awarded?) - Low = 12/High = 398 - A 23.2 3rd award (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost ? perhaps 10-15 awarded?) - Low = 5/High = 200 - A 23.3 4th award (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost ? perhaps 4-5 awarded?) - Low = 3/High = 86 - A 23.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megan Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Then I think I already need to go & modify the page I have just uploaded to my site! Which was based on your previous listing in the thread you just recommended, and pictures on Yuri's site (I am not trusting his dates any more...).What I think I have is: -Order of Military Valour 1926-31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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