Mongolia ORDER OF THE RED COMBAT BANNER

[Megan]

And a variant of that:

[Megan]

Then what Yuri says is the 1940 version:

[Megan]

And the 4th Award of that:

[Megan]

Next the 1945 version (which Yuri calls Type 3 - hence my comment earlier):

Edited May 7, 2007 by Megan

[Megan]

The 1945 2nd Award:

[Megan]

1945 3rd Award:

[Megan]

1945 4th Award:

[Megan]

And then the 1970 version:

Would appreciate some help to sort this lot out, please...

[Ed_Haynes]

Megan,

A few points:

-- The 1926 version is small star, no number (post 125)

-- The 1931 version is large star, numbered (post 126)

-- The 1970 version is the post-1970 (?) type 2.1 of the post-1945 variety

Yuri's stuff is, generally, good, but for Things Mongolian stay with the winners, this very site and forum! Best images, best information! (Wish Yuri were here.)

There has been more good word done here (even with some core participants AWOL or just "strayed") in just a few months, than everything done previously. And, as I have said, the malignant disinformation of earlier sources becomes increasingly clear through what we've done here.

Soon, we shall have more information, and it will be here first, and only (until someone steals it).

Edited May 7, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Megan]

Yuri has been out of circulation since the end of 2003. Whether he got caught up in business - the 'Netdialogue' site he was hosted on is an automatic translation/ISP/hosting service that's quite big in Russia - or lost interest for some other reason I don't know: we used to talk a lot and long before he dropped out he gave me blanket permission to use anything from his site. Really ought to try and track him down - did a bit of Googlefu this afternoon as it happens, got 2 or 3 business news stories about the company and a lot of links/credits to the medals site.

As for information, I'm happy to stick with here - as you and some others are busy figuring it all out - and of course to throw in at least pictures that I can contribute.

I shall go and amend what I've just posted in the light of your further information, for which I thank you, and then I suppose I need to start rooting around for stuff on the Order of Civil Valour... I think that comes next unless someone can tell me different.

Please keep the information coming, folks. It's much appreciated and can only go to make my site even better!

[Ed_Haynes]

Great, Megan. The, for the Order of Literacy Valor and its successors, see:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4242

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4236

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4243

Guess I need to merge these threads, eh?

Seek preexisting knowledge, Megan, and reinvent not the wheel, especially if that new "wheel" is square?

Edited May 7, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[new world]

This thread has need quiet for a while

Here's my set of Red Banners 1 through 4.

William

[Ed_Haynes]

Yes, almost "everything Mongolian" has been quiet.

So many of these RCBs came out of the Bank, especially in the high numbers, that it is hard to know where we stand. For example, while probably no more than four or five "4" awards were actually made, specimens numbered up to 86 have been observed. When research becomes available, a lot of the higher numbered items will turn out to be unawarded Bank 'escapees'. They'll still be of numismatic interest, but will have no history. It will also be interesting to see how many of the actually awarded pieces were long service awards (most of them, I'd guess).

Any documented "2", "3", or "4" specimens?

So much to learn, so much to await from the research.

[ub6365]

Just for your information:

List of items sold by Central bank (price quoted in MNT, rate is 1$=1170 MNT)

1. State Prize (45-62) 55 pcs * 80,000

2. Sukhbaatar order 1*700,000

3. Combat Red banner (1926-31) 6* 1,000,000

4. Combat Red banner 1939 7* 1,000,000

5. Combat Red banner (2nd award) 1939 3*700,000 ??

6. CRB 1945-1970

1st award 240*60,000

2nd award 319*250,000

3rd award 181*400,000

4th award 90*600,000

7. Labor Red banner 1926 1*1,200,000

1931-40 6*700,000

1940-45 4*1,200,000 ??

8. Altan Gadas 1926 1*1,200,000

9. Member of Baga Hural 87*40,000

Member of Ikh Hural 1960-1990 8*25,000

1990-1992 191*25,000

[fjcp]

Just for your information:

List of items sold by Central bank (price quoted in MNT, rate is 1$=1170 MNT)

1. State Prize (45-62) 55 pcs * 80,000

2. Sukhbaatar order 1*700,000

3. Combat Red banner (1926-31) 6* 1,000,000

4. Combat Red banner 1939 7* 1,000,000

5. Combat Red banner (2nd award) 1939 3*700,000 ??

6. CRB 1945-1970

1st award 240*60,000

2nd award 319*250,000

3rd award 181*400,000

4th award 90*600,000

7. Labor Red banner 1926 1*1,200,000

1931-40 6*700,000

1940-45 4*1,200,000 ??

8. Altan Gadas 1926 1*1,200,000

9. Member of Baga Hural 87*40,000

Member of Ikh Hural 1960-1990 8*25,000

1990-1992 191*25,000

I wish I would have been there that day!!!!

JC

[ub6365]

I wish I would have been there that day!!!!

JC

Me too, I was informed about this big SALE when all items gone, and I got just leftover (few CRB)...

[Vatjan]

Combat Red banner (1926-31) 6* 1,000,000 = 855 US

If you see the going rate for one of these, I guess some people really filled their pockets

Jan

[ub6365]

I was informed that big portion of this items are in stock of our russian friends (collectors/investors)..., maybe untill good times

[Bob]

Translated to USD

1. State Prize (45-62) 55 80,000 68

2. Sukhbaatar order 1 700,000 598

3. Combat Red banner (1926-31) 6 1,000,000 855

4. Combat Red banner 1939 7 1,000,000 855

5. Combat Red banner (2nd award) 1939 3 700,000 598

6. CRB 1945-1970 -

1st award 240 60,000 51

2nd award 319 250,000 214

3rd award 181 400,000 342

4th award 90 600,000 513

7. Labor Red banner 1926 1 1,200,000 1,026

1931-40 6 700,000 598

1940-45 4 1,200,000 1,026

8. Altan Gadas 1926 1 1,200,000 1,026

9. Member of Baga Hural 87 40,000 34

Member of Ikh Hural 1960-1990 8 25,000 21

1990-1992 191 25,000 21

[Bob]

The downside, we all may have more unawarded orders than we realized (even on the old ones from 20's / 30's).

UB - do you know if the vaults still contain any more stock? E.g. supposed hero star?

[ub6365]

The downside, we all may have more unawarded orders than we realized (even on the old ones from 20's / 30's).

UB - do you know if the vaults still contain any more stock? E.g. supposed hero star?

Definitely not. Maybe only badges of 15 anniversiary of people's revolution. They have only one Hero star, one+ one marshal's stars, Suhbaatar order with hat (first hero) and samples of other orders (one pcs of each). Person who is responsible for treasure of Mongolbank is my old friend (but she didn't know about my hobby), I am a banker too...

Edited November 20, 2007 by ub6365

[Bob]

Sorry for shooting more questions (we're all just very curious ) - does Mongolbank also maintain archives on who was awarded what, when, etc. or is that maintained elsewhere?

[new world]

Mongolian Central Bank received approximately $223,000 proceeds from the sale of 1,200 awards.

Interesting to note that Combat Red Banner 1939 2nd award was priced less than CRB without numeral ($600 vs $855).

William

[ub6365]

Sorry for shooting more questions (we're all just very curious ) - does Mongolbank also maintain archives on who was awarded what, when, etc. or is that maintained elsewhere?

Definitely not. Mongolbank holds only items (state property) with preciuos metals (gold, silver, platinum). As I was informed some ministry also have some stock of jubilee medals (for example Mongolian CIA has some stock of Khalkhin gol medals with number more then # 60.000)

Archives can be found at adminstrative dept of President (who has only right to award orders and medals) or State Archive (what I am planning to do). It would be great if I can find at least a list of awardees by some orders and medals.

[Ed_Haynes]

It would be great if I can find at least a list of awardees by some orders and medals.

That much will, I think, be coming fairly soon, as research opens up.