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Thank you . dealer offered it to me for $375 with shipping . i may do it since I know it’s a good MVK2 ?

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Hello Chuck, The enamel looks fine on your MVO 4th with Crown and Swords by Weiss u. Co.  Each maker (Weiss, Leser, Gebruder Hemmerle, etc) had their own blue enamel shade.  Your enamel is of the

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A very impressive piece to say the least, and thank you for showing it in such detail. Does the ribbon change from 3rd to 2nd class? I thought the white with blue strips was a peace time ribbon only?


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It is probably a silver-gilt piece. However, the cross body is mounted the wrong way round. 
The lower widened edge of the cross arm must be on the back. Viele Grüße


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I'll try it again. 
For gilded medallions or MVOs, the edge of the lower cross arm is widened on the back. 
As a result, it was immediately obvious that the 4th class of the MVO is not a real gold 
medallion or the 3rd class gold plated MVOs. In this example, the widening of the lower 
cross arm on the front can be seen. This should be correct on the back. As an example, 
I want to show the back of a MVO 4th class with silvered medallions from 1917 onwards. 
Here you can clearly see the broadening of the lower cross arm. Depending on the manufacturer, 
this is sometimes less pronounced. 
Left of the MVO with silver-gilt medallions from 1917 until the end of the war, 
on the right the MVO with three-part real gold medallions until the end of 1916.




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Very nice. This is a late production of Hemmerle (1918) with silver guilt medaillon. I have never seen blue paper.
Normally this cross was  in a red paperbox. The first class was awarded to the rank Feldwebel-Leutnant.

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Hello Chris, the MVKs and MVOs were invariably handed out in cases. Reason for that was the return obligation.
Thus, the MVOs and MVks were always stored safely and were rarely returned damaged. The blue bag
would have to come from an EK or from an honor cross for front fighters

The only option I see in a private purchase. Since the original would have been returned 
in the case after death and the privately procured piece could have been in a bag. 

Best regards 


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