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Thanks to you to see the post Magician.

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Nice Pic,

but IMHO number 4 is first variety 1849-1867!

Because eagle heads are without crown and no "Kugelöse".

greets Trakkles

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Very nice pictures Boris.

Is the 2nd ribbon on this ribbon bar a long service cross to a non-commissioned officer/other ranks?

Would i be right to assume so given the lack of other awards?blush.gif

Kind regards

Pierce

Edited by P.F.

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Thank you very much for the correction trakkles. I will take a look to that eagle again. :speechless: :cheers:

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Very nice pictures Boris.

Is the 2nd ribbon on this ribbon bar a long service cross to a non-commissioned officer/other ranks?

Would i be right to assume so given the lack of other awards?blush.gif

Kind regards

Pierce

Hello Pierce, I'm not an specialist in ribbons, but if the first one is a "Signum Laudis" award, the second have to be for officers too. Anyway I will study this ribbons cuestion more carefully.

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Hello

About the eagles and the crown, yes there is a mistake:

The eagle changes to House of Habsburg–Lorraine after 1867 when Austrian Empire changes to Austro-Hungarian Empire.

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Thanks very much trakkles :cheers:

Sources:

http://www.sammlerecke.at/orden/ordenmona.html

http://www.emedals.ca/catalog.asp?item=A932#bigPic

http://www.theresia.name/cgi-bin/Token.cgi?City=Wien&Language=en

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor

http://www.kittredgecollection.org/results?q=famname_facet:%22Habsburg-Lorraine%22&start=0

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Hello,

by the new version, IMHO number 4 is variety 2 (with crowns and without "Kugelöse")

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Hello,

by the new version, IMHO number 4 is variety 2 (with crowns and without "Kugelöse")

regards

Hello Trakkles

Thanks very much for your help.

With "Kugelöse", you are refering to this?:

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Thanks again...

I'll correct it.

Regards

REC2:

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Excellent thread for reference purposes! Wish I seen more of these style threads in various areas. Really helps collectors starting in new areas.

Thank you guys!cheers.gif

Tim

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Excellent thread for reference purposes! Wish I seen more of these style threads in various areas. Really helps collectors starting in new areas.

Thank you guys!cheers.gif

Tim

Thanks to you Tim B. You are rigth, the purpuses of this kind of diagrams is discover, as less for me, new kind of awards and more to learn, spotting possible mistakes, than to teach. Later on each decoration is a new world to discover by itself.

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I have a couple of questions, mostly pertaining to the 25yr officer cross;

- I notice some have the mother of pearl reverse and others do not. Is this dependant on the "type" or specific year it might have been made?

- Did all Austrian ribbons have this circular metal ring on the reverse where the hook attached, or were there cases where the hook attached to an "eye" sewn to the ribbon as well? Something similar in comparison to Japanese awards.

Thanks! Beautiful awards!love.gif

Tim

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I have a couple of questions, mostly pertaining to the 25yr officer cross;

- I notice some have the mother of pearl reverse and others do not. Is this dependant on the "type" or specific year it might have been made?

I have seen all 3 types with mother of pearl.

- Did all Austrian ribbons have this circular metal ring on the reverse where the hook attached, or were there cases where the hook attached to an "eye" sewn to the ribbon as well? Something similar in comparison to Japanese awards.

There are many kinds of suspension, like push-button, hook with metal ring and yep also with eye. than the band is on the backside shorter!

Thanks! Beautiful awards!love.gif

Tim

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Hello

In this pages you have several types of each period:

http://www.sammlerecke.at/orden/ordenmona.html

Some with mother pearl and some without, also there are with back-cover and other that are not covered. In the officers crosses maybe there was a model pre-war with mother-pearl and other for war times. It is only an hypothesis. Surely you could choose between several models, more of less expensives, in the jewelery. I think in the "other ranks" types there are not any with M.P.

Examples of the medals reverses:

http://www.emedals.ca/catalog.asp?item=A905#bigPic

http://www.emedals.ca/catalog.asp?item=A932

http://www.emedals.ca/catalog.asp?item=A972#bigPic

Un saludo

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Hi guys,

Thanks for the fast response. Yes, I was trying to look through Barry's site for some comparisons here but, all his is appeared to have the ring. Here's a nice one I am looking at but, I cannot tell if the hook is a replacement or what. I do not see any evidence of a ring ever being there and thought perhaps just a variation.

Thoughts?

Tim

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Hello

Very good photo. I was thinking that maybe the reverses of crosses that have not cover-back means that have lost the mother-pearl.

If with a hook you want to say that:

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It seems tipycal of first Ausgabe 1849 - 1867. The ones of third Ausgabe have all the "Kugelöse".

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Hi Boris,

Here's some close-ups of the medal. I thought the "Kugelöse" was this knob type suspension based on the earlier post above?

The "Hook & Eye" attachment I am referring and asking about is on the reverse.

Thanks for any clarification! I have an opportunity to buy it. cheers.gif

Tim

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So, if I am looking at this one correctly, and based on the earlier information provided by you and trakkles:

"The "eagle changes to House of Habsburg–Lorraine after 1867 when Austrian Empire changes to Austro-Hungarian Empire."

Then this one should be somewhere between 1867 and 1918 based on the crowned eagles and kugelöse?

Regards and many thanks my friend!cheers.gif

Tim

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I can't remember were, but I do remember reading that Officers Crosses with the mother of pearl backing are private purchase peices and not official issue.

I will hunt through my stuff and see if I can locate the article.

Ian

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Hi Boris,

Here's some close-ups of the medal. I thought the "Kugelöse" was this knob type suspension based on the earlier post above?

Hello

I have find this page (in german) that have a very comprehensive classification of suspension system types (the Kugelöse have some variations):

http://www.24-kompanie.de/ordenskunde.html

About the variations in this particular issue:

http://www.rainerregiment.at/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=64

"Militärverdienstzeichen für Offiziere

(gestiftet 19.09.1849)

1.Ausgabe 1849-1867:

1.Klasse für 25 Jahre (silberner Adler)

2.Klasse für 50 Jahre (goldener Adler)

2.Ausgabe 1867-1890

1.Klasse für 25 Jahre (silberner Adler)

2.Klasse für 50 Jahre (goldener Adler)

3. Ausgabe 1890-1918

1.Klasse für 50 Jahre

2.Klasse für 40 ab 1913 für 35 Jahre

3.Klasse für 25 Jahre

Varianten:

Die Varianten unterscheiden sich ob das Mittelschild mit Lorbeerkranz ausgeführt ist und durch das verwendete Material."

My german (google german better) is even worse than my english but it likes the variants depend of the buckler laurel wreath and the used materials.

Anyway all the crosses I have seen have the "kugelöse" in the "3. Klasse für 25 Jahre, 3.Ausgabe 1890 - 1918".

Really that I'm discovering very interesting details with the question are rising here. :cheers:

Un saludo

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Hello,

this is a fine example of private purchase, of this well-designed austrian award.

It can be dated towards the end of 19th Century, due to the typical type of closure of the ribbon ("hook and eye"); later, they are with the typical brass eyelet fixed to the ribbon and a hook.

Best wishes,

Elmar Lang

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