drclaw Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 This is currently available on ebay from Australia (Elite militaria) for around USD 695. As someone who is still learning about these orders, the item would appear to raise some concerns for an "1860 Crimea War Grand Cross": (1) star and crescents placed on top the tallest rays, as opposed to between them (2) centre appears to be a lighter shade of red, as opposed to a deep dark red (3) rear - appears to be a single cast piece as opposed to separate "leaves" joined together (4) very "shiny" for a 150 year old item. Would I be correct? Are there any other details of this particular item that also jump out as concerns? I am keen to develop my knowledge on what are a very beautiful category of orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palencia Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Looks like a modern fake for me, but it's better than an expert (Avsar, Tim Tezer, Demir, Josef Rietveld....) give his opinion. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avsaribar Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Hello , All the examinations you made are right. It is %100 FAKE . Regards, Avsar Ibar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avsaribar Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Also The Medjidie Orders which called " crimean TYPE Medjidie orders " , do Not have the Ottoman Mint Mark on the back. Avsar Ibar Edited February 12, 2011 by avsaribar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demir Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Hi, This is a 2nd class Mecidi Order. I think this answers the question demir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demir Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Another one The position of star and crescent and seals, pins etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drclaw Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Thank you everyone for sharing your knowledge and your photos. I have today purchased my very first Order of Mejidie - hopefully genuine! They are beautiful works of art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Greetings Drclaw and welcome to our forum. If you bought the one from broof, then be sure it's genuine ,he doesn't sell fakes as he is a very decent seller. Regards Emanuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drclaw Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 Greetings Drclaw and welcome to our forum. If you bought the one from broof, then be sure it's genuine ,he doesn't sell fakes as he is a very decent seller. Regards Emanuel Thanks Emanuel. Yes I did buy the one from broof and pleased to be dealing with a decent seller. He has lovely items and his webstore (Rarusnet) is a great source of information. I also purchased a Greek post-1974 Order of the Phoenix from the same auction - one of the most beautiful orders I have ever seen. All the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drclaw Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 Thanks Emanuel. Yes I did buy the one from broof and am pleased to be dealing with a decent seller. He has lovely items and his webstore (Rarusnet) is a great source of information. I also purchased a Greek post-1974 Order of the Phoenix from the same auction. All the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avsaribar Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Hello , The item which broof is selling in Rarusnet , 2nd Class Medjidie Breast Star , item number 000577 is also a FAKE . He listed it on ebay a while ago too . Now you can see it in Rarusnet web page. Best Wishes , Avsar Ibar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demir Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Hello , The item which broof is selling in Rarusnet , 2nd Class Medjidie Breast Star , item number 000577 is also a FAKE . He listed it on ebay a while ago too . Now you can see it in Rarusnet web page. Best Wishes , Avsar Ibar Avsar, Yes ! So Gentlemen there is no end to this. You believe somebody and what you see next, they are also selling fake. And there are others who think they can sell anything. (Check my recent thread) On the other hand are we doing good by showing the points why they are fakes, so that they will produce new ones matching these points also? Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drclaw Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 I did notice that particular item and the description "Turkish manufacturer". Hopefully Rarusnet would do the right thing when people "Ask Us About a Price" by disclosing it is a fake. I wish to say how much I valued the genorosity of contributors on this forum in sharing their advice and years of knowledge. It certainly helped me avoid this particular Australian fake when I saw it on ebay three weeks ago. There is nothing more discouraging for a newbie, and damaging to the hobby, to discover his first item to be a fake. The advice on this forum certainly helps people avoid that. Avsar, I learnt from one of the other posters that you have a shop in Istanbul. I've sent you an email through your website (www.avsaribar.com). I'd like to return your genorosity by supporting your shop if I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avsaribar Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Dear Gavin , I just get your e-mail. Long years me and my father collected this Medals and Orders. Thank you very much for your kind words and support. All the best personal regards , Avsar IBAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) The order bought this one week, my first Turkish Orders. I believe it's true. but like an opinion of you. She is the 4th or 5th Class? lambert Edited February 16, 2011 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avsaribar Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Hello , it is ok and a beautiful piece . Can not see the color of the centre where the Tughra located . If the centrer is silver , it is 5th class if it is gold or gold plated , it is a 4th class . Best Wishes, Avsar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) Hello , it is ok and a beautiful piece . Can not see the color of the centre where the Tughra located . If the centrer is silver , it is 5th class if it is gold or gold plated , it is a 4th class . Best Wishes, Avsar Hello Avsar. is gold plated ! I'm happy to acquire a true order and a great price! I'll take better photos. I was impressed with the amount of fakes on sale... lambert Edited February 16, 2011 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) Best Wishes, Lambert :cheers: Edited February 18, 2011 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elitemilitaria Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Hi, This is elitemilitaria, just to let this forum know that we in fact never sold this particular ORDER OF MEJIDIE. Turkish Orders are a new field of collecting for us and we purchased this Order as an ORIGINAL from a well known dealer in Turkey. Once we were informed that it was an incredibly well made reproduction we immediately closed the auction and made a claim through PayPal for a full refund. This particular Order was mailed back to the seller in Turkey and was never sold by us. The learning process never stops and somethimes errors are made, collecting rare World Orders is a total joy for us, and especially contstant continuation of the learning process, which goes with collecting each World Order. Thanking you, members of this forum for your knowlege shared, best regards from the team at Elitemilitaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Hi, This is elitemilitaria, just to let this forum know that we in fact never sold this particular ORDER OF MEJIDIE. Turkish Orders are a new field of collecting for us and we purchased this Order as an ORIGINAL from a well known dealer in Turkey. Once we were informed that it was an incredibly well made reproduction we immediately closed the auction and made a claim through PayPal for a full refund. This particular Order was mailed back to the seller in Turkey and was never sold by us. The learning process never stops and somethimes errors are made, collecting rare World Orders is a total joy for us, and especially contstant continuation of the learning process, which goes with collecting each World Order. Thanking you, members of this forum for your knowlege shared, best regards from the team at Elitemilitaria :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snsyed Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 (edited) Looks like it is still on sale there as non genuine: http://www.rarusnet.com/product_info.php?products_id=10691 I recently decided to expand my interest in Ottoman memorabilia from coins into other aspects and just acquired a Medjidie star as well. It looked good to me, but after reading this thread, I'm a bit unsure. Any thoughts? Thanks! Hello , The item which broof is selling in Rarusnet , 2nd Class Medjidie Breast Star , item number 000577 is also a FAKE . He listed it on ebay a while ago too . Now you can see it in Rarusnet web page. Best Wishes , Avsar Ibar Edited August 8, 2012 by snsyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avsaribar Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Hello Syed , As i mentioned in private message to your question to me , i am sorry to tell you but this Medjidie order is totally fake. I explained to you from where i understand in my previous private message. All the best , Avsar IBAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demir Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Hi, Sorry to inform you that this medal has been made by a person who made it sure that it can be easily identified as fake. If you check a genuine Mecidi medal you will see 5 rays in between the star and crescents and the ray in the middle is the longest. In this case there is none or the shortest. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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