Claudius Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) I have had parts of this document translated, but noone could quite tell me what it was exactly for. Why it was issued? etc. Edited April 29, 2011 by Claudius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fortech Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Nice document, Claudius. Looks like a gun possession and carrying license issued in the Ukraine in the turbulent post-revolution year. The text is quite standard and does not imply any special occasion or purpose of this permit other than general use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsarenko1975 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Typical gun lycence of that storming times (for Webley-Scott revolver). Unusual date: 12 december 1918. If you know, 14 december 1918 Kiev was occupied/liberated by Petlyura's troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted April 29, 2011 Author Share Posted April 29, 2011 Thank you Fortech and tsarenko1975 for your translations and insights. A Webley-Scott revolver -that was misidentified to me. Outstanding. This document would look great next to one. Now I know what to ask for for Christmas! I didn't know about Petlyura in relationship to this date. Thank you for the information. and to other inquires...yes, it does look like him, but no, that isn't Jeffery Jones from the movie "Ferris Bueller's Day Off"... http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=ferris+bueller%27s+cast+jeffery+jones&view=detail&id=CB4B5ED8DE90BF93EE333A5CA462E3C52D1DD4DF&first=61&FORM=IDFRIR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted May 6, 2020 Author Share Posted May 6, 2020 On 29/04/2011 at 08:49, tsarenko1975 said: Typical gun lycence of that storming times (for Webley-Scott revolver). Unusual date: 12 december 1918. If you know, 14 december 1918 Kiev was occupied/liberated by Petlyura's troops. I have a follow up question (nine years later); This document to carry a Webley-Scott revolver seems itself to be used during a transitional time. The document form was originally made for one government agency, but then it was crossed out and a different government authorization was purple ink stamped. Is the purple ink stamp the Petlyura's government authority, or is the original form, the Petlyura's government. Or neither? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) Doc was issued to Яков Маркович Брегман/Yakov Markovich Bregman Владелец сего имеет право носить и хранить пистолет системы Веблей-Скот/The owner of this document has a right to carry and keep Webley-Scott gun Original doc was issued on the letterhead from Начальник Киевской Столичной Милиции/Head of the Kiev Metropolitan Police Then it was crossed out and stamp added that reads Киевский столичный атаман/Kiev metropolitan ataman The stamp at the photo reads exactly the same. So they used old unissued form to fill their current needs This is how typical imperial russia gun permit looks like (Dvinsk, 1907). Regarding Webley & Scott. Original advertisment. Edited May 8, 2020 by JapanX 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 This is great! Thank You JapanX! Once again you brought clarity and understanding. So, it is these magazine style pistols. I thought the Webley & Scott it referred to was a six-shot revolver. -Claudius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, JapanX said: Regarding Webley & Scott. Original advertisment. "To be frank Q, 183 looks like a ladies' pistol.* I'll take 182, thanks". * (although Bond's original pistol, a Beretta 418, was little better, I understand!) Edited May 7, 2020 by Trooper_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Trooper_D said: "To be frank Q, 183 looks like a ladies' pistol. I'll take 182, thanks". Well, don`t be too picky James 3 hours ago, Claudius said: I thought the Webley & Scott it referred to was a six-shot revolver. They didn`t specify the model. Simply самопал системi Веблей-Скот/a gun of Webley-Scot system. Edited May 7, 2020 by JapanX 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Trooper_D said: * (although Bond's original pistol, a Beretta 418, was little better, I understand!) Both have a very distinct masculine look Edited May 7, 2020 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 5 hours ago, JapanX said: Doc was issued to Яков Маркович Брегман/Yakov Markovich Bregman Владелец сего имеет право носить и держать пистолет системы Веблей-Скот/The owner of this document has a right to carry and hold Webley-Scott gun Original doc was issued on the letterhead from Начальник Киевской Столичной Милиции/Head of the Kiev Metropolitan Police Then it was crossed out and stamp added that reads Киевский столичный атаман/Kiev metropolitan ataman The stamp at the photo reads exactly the same. So they used old unissued form to fill their current needs This is how typical imperial russia gun permit looks like (Dvinsk, 1907). Regarding Webley & Scott. Original advertisment. Very interesting ! The 7.65 mm pistol costed 25 roubles and the 6,35 mm one the same amount Hello Gentlemen : 1918 was a turbulent year for Ucraina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 (edited) Price list from 1937. Please, don't forget about "necessity" while travelling "in out-of-the-way places". Edited May 8, 2020 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Strictly for aficionados of Webley&Scott automatic pistols. A.J.R. Cormack - Webley and Scott Automatic Pistols-Profile Publications Ltd (1972).pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 14 hours ago, JapanX said: Strictly for aficionados of Webley&Scott automatic pistols. A very interesting read! Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Thank you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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