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3 hours ago, christerd said:

Wow , only 165 left to find ;)

Baragin price for the moment .....

 

christer

Is it real?

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Hmm, 

It really looks real by the pictures on EBAY , and I haven´t seen any real good fakes of this class ...

But hard to be 100% without holding in real life , and comparing weight and size . But I would vote for genuine , anyone else ?

The price is ???  but maybe everyone waiting for a sniper attack ?

will be interesting to follow.

Christer

 

 

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3 minutes ago, christerd said:

Hmm, 

It really looks real by the pictures on EBAY , and I haven´t seen any real good fakes of this class ...

But hard to be 100% without holding in real life , and comparing weight and size . But I would vote for genuine , anyone else ?

The price is ???  but maybe everyone waiting for a sniper attack ?

will be interesting to follow.

Christer

 

 

This is Ex-kuеnker 2015
I asked the seller.

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1 minute ago, Roman Slivin said:

This is Ex-kuеnker 2015
I asked the seller.

Wow , he could loose a lot of money if the price dosn´t rise .....

christer

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Prices just went down. To much hot air in the last years. Normal consolidation.

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Prices have gone down in recent years, but the rarities do still today have quite a price tag. I do have seen a slight increase in prices this autumn, e.g. Holmasto auctioned a 1941 2.Class Cross of Liberty for 600€ + 24% buyers premium which is the highest I've seen in a while (auction of 30th September). Considering that 1160 of these -41 models awarded contrary to the 167 of the -39 model awarded I'm expecting the Ebay cross to go for more than what it went in the Künker auction. For the moment the price is 603€, it's on a good way of going for more than what it was purchased for.

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Things are starting to get interesting, can't wait to see the hammer price as I haven't seen one for sale in years in an auction. This particular cross has been auctioned twice, it seems to be a quite good investment piece.

 

Just to make things clear I'm myself not a bidder, I'm just following the auction.
 

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4 hours ago, Dansson said:

Things are starting to get interesting, can't wait to see the hammer price as I haven't seen one for sale in years in an auction. This particular cross has been auctioned twice, it seems to be a quite good investment piece.

 

Just to make things clear I'm myself not a bidder, I'm just following the auction.
 

sale price: 938.00 €

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1 hour ago, Roman Slivin said:

sale price: 938.00 €

Wow !  1000 $  Thats quite a lot of Dollars :cheers:

Christer

 

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He really sell out a outstanding collection  a 1st class 1918 civilian !!! .

One strange thing is the bidder with  few feedback who bids on all his items, but only to a certain level. And he has 65 bid retractions in 6 months. Maybe the seller have a friend as  insurance.....

well well , the Finnish Orders seems to have been a Good investment .

christer

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6 hours ago, christerd said:

 

well well , the Finnish Orders seems to have been a Good investment .

 

Seems so, even if prices were down for a few years. One reason why the price drop never was so radical is that the prices weren't originally that high after all relative to other nations awards, considering the rarity of many orders. Think what the price would be for a German or British gallantry order that was awarded only 167 times... We're lucky the prices aren't higher as they could be higher :) 

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I start to wonder , did this guy buy every order at the kunker auction 2015 ?

Now he have at least 10 objects from the Kunker auction out for sale if I see right 

 

Christer

 

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A couple of new ones to my collection 

First a 3rd class Liberty Cross 1939 , not one of rarest but still only 1004 awarded so take some time to find one at a good price 

a medal from 1902 ? next , " The commerative medal of the old Finnish Army" quite rare ( Tiainen rates it as R3 in his book)

a little outside my normal area but when I find some unusual Finnish I tend to increase my area :)

Then a mini ( just Love minis ....)  a 3rd class Liberty Cross for civilian 1941 only 152 awarded and I suppose less minis '

And two German Ribbon bars from 1918 war , first a Bavarian , could be from GebirgsArt Rgt 2 ? Totally impossible to id of course 

and the another German with a Baden Zähringen Löwen , also hopeless to id ...

 

 

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Stellar collection! I has been dabbling in Finnish militaria lately after reading some fine books about the "Talvisota" and to start it off, I found a very rare example of a Finnish converted Russian M91 Mosin rifle. I am not here to hijack your thread, just haven't had many medals to run by (I recently bought a Continuation War medal that was issued in the 1960's). This is an impressive display of Finnish awards and a nice bit of knowledge to retain to boot. 

I look forward to updates! :D 

 

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Austin_militaria,

I hope this is all of them: -

Order of the Cross of Liberty, 1st Class with Swords
1. Generalleutnant Erwin Engelbrecht: 21 September 1941
2. Kapitän zur See Hans Bütow: 12 October 1941
3. Oberst Karl Seber: 23 October 1941
4. Generalmajor Erich Buschenhagen: 26 October 1941
5. Generalmajor Kurt Dittmar: 26 October 1941
6. Generalmajor Ernst Goettke: 26 October 1941
7. Generalmajor Hans Kreysing: 26 October 1941
8. Generalmajor Ernst Schlemmer: 26 October 1941
9. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Wilhelm Becker: 9 November 1941
10. SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS Karl-Maria Demelhuber: 1 December 1941 
11. Kapitän zur See Leopold Bürkner: 10 December 1941
12. Oberst Hans Piekenbrock: 10 December 1941
13. Konteradmiral Reimar von Bonin: 31 January 1942
14. Generalmajor Horst Rössing: 31 January 1942
15. Generalleutnant Rudolf Ernst Otto Gercke: 25 March 1942 
16. Generalmajor Adolf Heusinger: 25 March 1942
17. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Otto Hoffmann von Waldau: 25 March 1942
18. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Walter Lorenz: 25 March 1942
19. Generalmajor Bernhard von Loßberg: 25 March 1942
20. Generalmajor Gerhard Matzky: 25 March 1942
21. Vizeadmiral Hubert Schmundt: 25 March 1942
22. Generalmajor Eduard Wagner: 25 March 1942
23. Generalmajor Walter Warlimont: 25 March 1942
24. Generalarzt Dr. Kurt Bingler: 28 March 1942
25. Generalleutnant Iwan Huenert: 28 March 1942
26. Generalmajor Ferdinand Jodl: 28 March 1942
27. Generalmajor Christian Philipp: 28 March 1942
28. Oberst Eduard Ausfeld: 28 April 1942
29. Generalleutnant Hermann Tittel: 7 May 1942
30. Oberst Werner Wachsmuth: 13 May 1942 
31. Konteradmiral Otto Klüber: 21 May 1942
32. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Heinz-Hellmuth von Wühlisch: 21 May 1942
33. Generalmajor Rudolf Schmundt: 11 June 1942
34. SS-Gruppenführer und Generalleutnant der Waffen-SS Felix Steiner: 16 June 1942 
35. Generalleutnant Wilhelm Berlin: 23 August 1942
36. Oberst (Luftwaffe) Alexander Holle: 23 August 1942
37. Generalmajor Heinrich Kittel: 23 August 1942
38. Generalmajor Gerhard Medem: 23 August 1942
39. Generalmajor Wilhelm “Willi” Raithel: 23 August 1942
40. SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS Peter Hansen: 29 September 1942
41. Generalmajor Fritz Thiele: 7 October 1942
42. Kapitän zur See Kurt Böhmer: 10 October 1942
43. Generalmajor Dipl. Wirtsch. Ernst Becht: 12 November 1942
44. Generalmajor Rudolf Hünermann: 12 November 1942
45. Generalmajor Otto Will: 22 January 1943
46. SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS Herbert Otto Gille: 6 March 1943
47. Generalleutnant Karl Allmendinger: 29 March 1943
48. Generalleutnant Hans Kratzert: 29 March 1943
49. Generalmajor Gerhard Reus: 29 March 1943
50. Generalmajor Martin Wandel: 29 March 1943
51. Generalmajor Wilhelm Wegener: 29 March 1943
52. Generalmajor Richard Bazing: 13 May 1943
53. SS-Oberführer Heinrich Gärtner: 13 May 1943
54. Generalmajor Georg Ritter von Hengl: 13 May 1943
55. SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Polizei Heinrich “Heino” Jürs: 13 May 1943 
56. SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS Matthias Kleinheisterkamp: 13 May 1943
57. Generalmajor August Krakau: 13 May 1943
58. Generalmajor Franz Rossi: 13 May 1943
59. Vizeadmiral Theodor Burchardi: 7 June 1943
60. Generalleutnant Wilhelm Haase: 7 June 1943
61. Generalmajor Paul Winter: 17 June 1943
62. Generalmajor Georg Radziej: 30 June 1943
63. Generalleutnant Kurt Weckmann: 13 August 1943
64. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Kurt Kleinrath: 24 October 1943
65. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Xaver Sattler: 24 October 1943
66. Generalmajor (Luftwaffe) Herbert Joachim Karl Walter Rieckhoff: 8 January 1944
67. Generalarzt Dr. Rudolf Lipf: 19 January 1944
68. Generalmajor Karl Rübel: 19 January 1944 
69. Generalmajor Hans Degen: 4 April 1944
70. Konteradmiral Heinz Nordmann: 15 April 1944
71. Konteradmiral Werner Stichling: 15 April 1944
72. Generalmajor Hero Breusing: 31 July 1944

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Thanks Graham. I think this is the list for the 1941 dated award. There was a small number of 1939 dated awarded that I was looking for. 

-Rob

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