My New Kris..! :) (*** MODERATORS' CHOICE)

[kapten_windu]

very interesting Hugh, yoursare beautiful, and have a supernatural power..

i think your first Kris is Kris luk 7 dapur Jaran Guyang (eng.: dancing horse ), IMO the pamor name is Manikem..

the second is a straight one, i can't identify the dapur (well, there are 57 kind of dapur on Straight Kris!),the Pamor probably Adeg..

i'll ask my friend about more information

keep preserve it and be careful with it.. :P

[kapten_windu]

awesome..!!

[kapten_windu]

Hi Hugh

Thanks for sharing your Kris'. Very nice.

Some small notes, not an expert on the matter mind you.

The metal is indeed being folded and worked by the smith. This is what causes the distinct pattern/drawing on the blade. This pattern is called Pamor. The drawing is being made visible with arsenic (!) (which is what should be used once a year to keep the drawing nicely visible as well, but then again....) The different types of drawing/Pamor also influence the mystical power of the Kris. One type adding to the charisma of the owner, the other to his health, a third to this family life etc...

I have personally witnessed a "standing" Kris myself about 15 years ago in a private home in the Yogyakart Kraton area. I can confirm: no strings or the likes. Don't know about the mysticism of it, but it sure shows remarkable craftmanship to shape the Kris in such a way that it has this kind of balance. I have a picture of the Kris standing up in an old box. Will have to dig it up and post here I think.

There are indeed blades of Kris made from meteorite stone. However, if you put all the blades together from which it has been told that they were made from this stone it would have had to been the size of the moon..... Think you need a mettalurgic expert to confirm.

Sidenote: traditionally a Kris should not be sold/bought. The terminology used in Javanese refers to a courtship and a dowry being paid (or something traded in stead) Often it is just given away. If you take the mysticism and the cleansing rituals seriously owning a Kris is a high responsibility (and a burden) which is why (if the original possessor has passed away) relatives may choose not to keep it in possession.

My late father-in-law gave his two Kris away as he could not properly take care of them....

By the way Hugh: story also goes that you should not unnecessarily take the Kris out of the scabbard too often as it may want to see blood if you do so. Think to take it out for the cleaning ritual is OK though.

@Windu: go ahead and continue posting interesting info on the subject please! We're on a roll here

a good explanation, thank you..

as Love aka Roel explained, it use some chemical instrument (including arsenic), but of course the technique will be the secret of the empu..

and the bold words called: dimaharkan.. :)

[kapten_windu]

PAMOR is an ornament or motif found on the blade (Kris, Spear,

Swords, Wedung and others). This decoration was established not because of carved or 'diserasah' (Inlay) or coated, but because the forging technique which brings together several different metallic elements.

This pamoring technique was until now only controlled by the master on Indonesia and

surrounding it (Malaysia, Brunei, Philippines and Thailand)

Outside the Indonesia and surrounding areas are usually only known technique just like the sword of Inlay like Iran or any other European country, so even though the arts (art) looks beautiful but the impression of "Wingit"(supernatural charisma) its not there at all.

It is also possible to master the basic region of the archipelago (particularly Java) that processes

mixing various metals so beautiful pamor and high artistic merit.

This prestige material by most authors from the Nickel said of the material, but this one

altogether because it is based on research by Mr.. Haryono Aroembinang MSc (late) and

some experts in BATAN Yogyakarta obtained evidence that the material is titanium, a material

New in the 20th century used as a coating material space vehicles, but our masters have used all along. This is explained as follows, when the meteor entered the atmosphere

earth then most of the materials copper, iron, nickel, lead, brass fire destroyed and only

titanium which lasted until the earth. The raw material is made from a meteor prestige formerly contained so kris ancient earth contains a lot of titanium and weighs lightly.

Renowned pamor of the Luwu, South Sulawesi, which was brought by traders from Bugis.

Most famous materials for Pamor is the Pamor of Prambanan, it's currently at the Kraton Surakarta given name Kanjeng Kyai Pamor and its size is now only about 60x60x80 cm since been widely used to make Kris of the palace.

After the meteorite materials hard to come by, then Nickel material used, so that the keris is currently weights heavier..

-source: from a friend-

[kapten_windu]

one unique fact that sometimes the Empu made the Kris by hand!! so you can see the thumb finger prints on it..

[kapten_windu]

Correction for Hugh's first Kris:

-dapur: Sempono (very similar with Jaran Guyang, difficult for beginner like me to identificate.. )

-pamor: jung kebak donya

-warangka (scabbard): gayaman

-pendok(metal part on scabbard): bunton

-period: est 18th century

:cheers:

[kapten_windu]

Hugh 2nd Keris:

-dhapur: tilam upih

-pamor: ilining warih (kind of adeg)

-warangka: gayaman surakarta (the 1st keris is Gayaman Ngayogyakarta, see the difference.. )

-period: est 14th century

Note: both Kris have change their warangka (scabbard) and gagang (handle), the period only refers to the blade.. :)

[Hugh]

Hugh 2nd Keris:

-dhapur: tilam upih

-pamor: ilining warih (kind of adeg)

-warangka: gayaman surakarta (the 1st keris is Gayaman Ngayogyakarta, see the difference.. )

-period: est 14th century

Note: both Kris have change their warangka (scabbard) and gagang (handle), the period only refers to the blade..

Thanks for this information, Windu, very exciting. It's hard for me to believe that I own something from the 14th century. That's older than I am! I don't remember what I paid for either one, but neither was a lot of money. (See Love's Post # 23 for possible motive.)

What a set of pictures in post #27! All of them standing in a row like soldiers.

SO now I'll show my little toy kris.

[Hugh]

I have a feeling this was a gift when I bought the second one.

[kapten_windu]

Hugh, it means both Kris are match to you (Java: 'cocok ditayuh'), so the man gave you the Kris, or just ask 'mahar' for a low price (the price of 'mahar' was not for the Kris, just like a tip for that man!!), if yours were sold in antique market, both would be very expensive (especially the first Kris, the luk 7 sempana), so I think the man whom gave you the Kris was a very kind man.. :)

[HandokoIsmarsodo]

PAMOR is an ornament or motif found on the blade (Kris, Spear,

Swords, Wedung and others). This decoration was established not because of carved or 'diserasah' (Inlay) or coated, but because the forging technique which brings together several different metallic elements.

This pamoring technique was until now only controlled by the master on Indonesia and

surrounding it (Malaysia, Brunei, Philippines and Thailand)

Outside the Indonesia and surrounding areas are usually only known technique just like the sword of Inlay like Iran or any other European country, so even though the arts (art) looks beautiful but the impression of "Wingit"(supernatural charisma) its not there at all.

It is also possible to master the basic region of the archipelago (particularly Java) that processes

mixing various metals so beautiful pamor and high artistic merit.

This prestige material by most authors from the Nickel said of the material, but this one

altogether because it is based on research by Mr.. Haryono Aroembinang MSc (late) and

some experts in BATAN Yogyakarta obtained evidence that the material is titanium, a material

New in the 20th century used as a coating material space vehicles, but our masters have used all along. This is explained as follows, when the meteor entered the atmosphere

earth then most of the materials copper, iron, nickel, lead, brass fire destroyed and only

titanium which lasted until the earth. The raw material is made from a meteor prestige formerly contained so kris ancient earth contains a lot of titanium and weighs lightly.

Renowned pamor of the Luwu, South Sulawesi, which was brought by traders from Bugis.

Most famous materials for Pamor is the Pamor of Prambanan, it's currently at the Kraton Surakarta given name Kanjeng Kyai Pamor and its size is now only about 60x60x80 cm since been widely used to make Kris of the palace.

After the meteorite materials hard to come by, then Nickel material used, so that the keris is currently weights heavier..

-source: from a friend-

Kapten Windu,

But please take a note that some of iron ore also consist of Titanium Dioxide (TiO2) then some of meteorite consist of arsenic. Some day I'll show you my new collection with meteorite as a pattern.

Thanks,

[HandokoIsmarsodo]

Gents,

Here is the kris with meteorite material as a pattern. This is special design by Ki Mpu Guno Anom starting in Jun. 2011 and finished in Oct. 2011, meteorite from my friend in Tibet.

[HandokoIsmarsodo]

another collection :cheers: :cheers:

[Hugh]

I just love these weapons! Artistic and mysterious, just like a new mistress!

[HandokoIsmarsodo]

another collection:

name of dapur: sengkelat luk 13

name of pamor: ngulit semangka