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My first militaria find in years- NonCombatant EK2 Bar!


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I attended the Hayward CA BAT show today and walked away with this awesome ribbon bar; bought from Ed Anderson. What are your thoughts? I love it.

What do the missing medals look like? I know that the EK2 is a standard cross. What about the others? I would like to find the missing pendents and display them on top of the bar.

Is this item traceable?

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Good luck on finding everything. I am interested in the completion of your project. It just bothers me that people cut up historic items. In regards to finding out who the bar belogns too, I would be someone on here can point you in the right direction. The great people on here have helped me over the last year.

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Very nice bar! I'd not replace anything unless it is discussed what should be on it... not to easy!

I think it must be a NCO's bar...

- EK2 1914

- Württemberg Wilhelmskreuz - but which? Possibly with swords from the position?

- Württemberg Silver merit cross - with or without sowrds?

- Württemberg Kronordenmedaille - should be real gold as never awarded in gilt, from what I've heard

- Württemberg Silver merit medal Wilhelm II.

- Württemberg, military long service award - maybe a "Dienstehrenzeichen"

- once more Württemberg, military long service award, probably the cross for 15 years - or a Reserve/Landwehr long service award

- Prussian 1897 medal.

I think we need a real Württemberg specialist - like Daniel Krause or Uwe Bretzendorfer - to be sure what exactely belongs there. To many awards on same and similar ribons... but that is it roughly.

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The Württemberg Kronordenmedaille sounds like a pretty expensive medal.

A good point. Sadly the recent increases in the price of gold have probably had quite an impact on medals like this; but let's not go there, other than to say that it may, in part, provide an answer to your question as to why such groups were once cut up.

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Very nice bar! I'd not replace anything unless it is discussed what should be on it... not to easy!

I think it must be a NCO's bar...

- EK2 1914

- Württemberg Wilhelmskreuz - but which? Possibly with swords from the position?

- Württemberg Silver merit cross - with or without sowrds?

- Württemberg Kronordenmedaille - should be real gold as never awarded in gilt, from what I've heard

- Württemberg Silver merit medal Wilhelm II.

- Württemberg, military long service award - maybe a "Dienstehrenzeichen"

- once more Württemberg, military long service award, probably the cross for 15 years - or a Reserve/Landwehr long service award

- Prussian 1897 medal.

I think we need a real Württemberg specialist - like Daniel Krause or Uwe Bretzendorfer - to be sure what exactely belongs there. To many awards on same and similar ribons... but that is it roughly.

Thank you for the detailed information, both here and via PM. I will see about getting this bar back up to it's former glory, ithout sewing the pendents back on.

Can I safely assume that the EK2 is a noncombattant type, the Wilhelmskreuz and the Silver Merit Cross were both without swords?

There is not really a chance that an NCO would have a Non Combatant Version of the Iron Cross, is there? I thought that these were mainly awarded to Beamte and high ranking civilians in industry?

Thank you for the image of the gold medal. It is beautiful... and I will have to bite the bullet at some point to get the medallion. I really want to display the bar with the appropriate pendants.

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That's why I said to ask someone else: I'm not sure.

The 1914 noncombattant EK went to persons that were not in enemy's country - persons that stayed in Germany. Usually officials and so on... but probably not only!

The Württemberg Wilhelmskreuz with swords, from what I've heard, went to any military recipient...

I think we really need an hardcore Württemberg expert to get a definite answer.

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May I also say what an outstanding bar you have there!

It has the potential to hang some of the great, non-enamel medals that Württemberg had to offer. Your project to restore this bar with the appropriate medals is encouraging to me.

Silly question, but were the threads of the medals really "cut" from underneath the ribbons, or are their hooks?

I think Saschaw gave the great advice when he advised finding a real hardcore knowledge Württemberg expert to get the best medal matches. Herr Bretzendorfer certainly comes to mind, but I don't want to discount the knowledge Mr. Krause brings. I would like to hear both of their analyses of this bar.

I can't wait to see your restroration progress. :jumping:

Can we see the reverse side?

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There are cut threads... :o . There are no hooks :angry: There are a couple that still have the brass rings where the medals were. I will show you.

I will make images of the reverse and post them.

Who are some of the Württemberg experts here?

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