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Hello dedehansen

Very curious.

“...an saxsonian officer during the wars from 1866, 1870 and 1914.”

That would have made him about 68 years old when the war broke out in 1914. :rolleyes:

He must have been a very senior officer, so those decorations should be easy to trace.

Are the EK’s from 1914?

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Possibly, possibly. Lucky for us RETIRED officers are listed in the Saxon Rank Lists.

Certainly this would seem to be: SA3bX and EK2 for 1870. Career Saxon officer (XXV), veteran of 1866 and 1870/71. The SV3aX might be 1870/WW1? The SH3 might be 1866/1870/WW1. The ÖM3K might be 1866 or WW1. Lots of variables.

The SV3aX could be a 19th century SV3a that had Xs added for WW1 service-- this looks to me like a WW1 recalled Oberstleutnant aD type.

Start the clock.

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Possibly, possibly. Lucky for us RETIRED officers are listed in the Saxon Rank Lists.

Certainly this would seem to be: SA3bX and EK2 for 1870. Career Saxon officer (XXV), veteran of 1866 and 1870/71. The SV3aX might be 1870/WW1? The SH3 might be 1866/1870/WW1. The ÖM3K might be 1866 or WW1. Lots of variables.

The SV3aX could be a 19th century SV3a that had Xs added for WW1 service-- this looks to me like a WW1 recalled Oberstleutnant aD type.

Start the clock.

Hello Rick, the SA3bX IMO was founded 1876, by then, there only existed one Ritterkreuz.

The 1872 Rangliste shows only a Ritterkreuz SA 3 which looked like later the SA 3a.

I think the old mini was lost and they hadn´t an old model to replace

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I've been through the Wolrd War St. henrys and there is no match. There is no match among retired officers listed with a 19th century St. Henry in 1914.

It looks like something may not be right here... and no way to guess WHAT.

:(:(:( Thanks a lot for trying :beer: , but I don´t think that it´s a Frankenstein nor a fake.

I´ve checked the chain and You can see that it´s grown with the time for example the EK 14, DAK and Centenarmedaille

are mounted with loops in a different material. I known that it´s difficult with mini chains, and sometimes the merchant from

minis mounted what he had in his inventory. This weekend I´ll post such an group.

Kind regards

Andreas

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Exactly. Haven't tried 1870 St Henrys--officers who just might not have been listed (not all of them were) among the retirees--to check forward into WW1 from Erhard Roth's work.

So much of this is still "page by page" work, and all of us Research Gnomes have been focussed on Prussia/navy as the largest group to sort out.

Can't explain the SA3bX mini, but even that old style SV3aX makes me wonder... was THAT 1870, to an 1866 SH3 winner, truly ancient in WW1....

there are as many variables to hunt down here as there are in picking a winning lottery number--and that, after all, is the sort of mathematical odss awards groups give us.

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From what I can find, there were only two saxon officers with this combination in 1872: SH3 VR.KD AR.KD PEK2. One died in 1889 and the other in 1908. Clearly, neither would have been around for a WWI EK and one not even for the centenary. I would agree with Rick that something is not quite right about the mini.

Andy

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I have found 5 saxon officers who received the SH3 during ths Franco-Prussian war but received the Merit Order with X on 1866.

11 saxon officers received the SH3 during the 1870-1871's war and received the Merit order with X on 1870-1871.

Christophe

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@ Andy and Christophe, thank You very much for Your work

I have found 5 saxon officers who received the SH3 during ths Franco-Prussian war but received the Merit Order with X on 1866.

11 saxon officers received the SH3 during the 1870-1871's war and received the Merit order with X on 1870-1871.

Christophe

Christophe, could You please be so kind to post the names ? If You would do this, I could check them in the Ehrenrangliste.

Regards

Andreas

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Hi Andreas

here is my list

SVX SH

Günther, Carl Friedrich August Major 05.11.1866 SH3 le 29.09.1870

Klüx, Paul Wolf von Hauptmann 05.11.1866 SH3 le 29.09.1870

Leonhardi, Bernhard August Alban von Oberstleutnant 05.11.1866 SH3 le 29.09.1870

Montbé, Alban von Oberstleutnant 05.11.1866 SH3 le 09.09.1870

Tschirschky u. Bögendorff, Adolf Leopold von Hauptmann 05.11.1866 SH3 le 29.09.1870

Bülow, Hans von Hauptmann 01.10.1870 SH3 le 27.03.1871

Groh, Carl Albrecht Hauptmann 01.10.1870 SH3 le 27.03.1871

Hammerstein, Hans Moritz Frhr von Premier-Leutnant 01.10.1870 SH3 le 27.03.1871

Lossow, Friedrich Wilhelm Ludwig von Hauptmann 01.10.1870 SH3 le 27.03.1871

Nollain, Albert Hauptmann 28.03.1871 SH3 le 29.09.1870

Preußer, Reinhard Rittmeister 01.10.1870 SH3 le 29.09.1870

Schumann, Adolph Oberstleutnant 01.10.1870 SH3 le 27.03.1871

Schuster, Oskar Wilhelm Hauptmann 28.03.1871 SH3 le 29.09.1870

Wolf, Carl August Curt von Hauptmann 01.10.1870 SH3 le 27.03.1871

Zencker Carl August Hauptmann 01.10.1870 SH3 le 27.03.1871

Zeschau, Heinrich Emil von Premier-Leutnant 01.10.1870 SH3 le 29.09.1870

Christophe

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