Dete Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Hello, i was able to buy this wonderful bar from another collector. I wonder if some of the specialists here are willing to help to identify the man behind the awards. I already tried by going through the 1914 ranglist of IR91 but without any success. Also i ve a pic from the seller showing his later feldspange with the HOH3X, maybe this could help. Thx in advance. Detlev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azyeoman Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Beautiful bar. Congratulations! I hope you find out who the recipient was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rujab Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Hallo Detlev klasse Spange,zum Glück kein Hesse dran. Gruss Rudi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hunter Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Dete, That is a wonderful grouping! Best wishes Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I got this guy. He died May 1918. He was awarded a posthumous EH3aX. Oh and he was a Hauptmann. For a name please PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poulton Palmer Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Gutentag Dete, this is superb! ich bin eifersüchtig! I am looking everywhere to buy such a bar but I think I don't look at the right places!! If someone has some spanges for sale, you can pm me. And Paul has the name of the owner! this is simply a dreambar! Greetings, Poulton Palmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Impressive group you have found there. I've found him easily like Paul, Here are some dates of awards Waldeck cross 4th with X : 24.12.1914 Oldenburg cross with crown and swords : 18.02.1918 Knight cross 1st class with X of Saxe Coburg Gotha : 29.06.1918. In the Rangliste from 1914 there is no mention of the Saxe Albert knight cross 2nd class niehter for the Waldeck cross 4th class. he sould received both just before the war between June and July 1914. Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dete Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 Hello, thx for your help and feedback. best regards Detlev @Rudi, deine neue Errungenschaft hätte aber auch gut in meine Sammlung gepasst :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 So.... who is he????? Maybe someone has a photo of him kicking around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dete Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share Posted December 29, 2011 Thxs to Christophe and Paul, it is Hauptmann Werner Gristede from the 3. Kurhessischen Infanterie Regiment von Wittich Nr. 83 Before the war, he was Adj. of the Truppenübungsplatz Ohrdruf. Regards Detlev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I dont have that Regt History :-( One of the other members may have. What a fantastic bar!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100ossi100 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Thxs to Christophe and Paul, it is Hauptmann Werner Gristede from the 3. Kurhessischen Infanterie Regiment von Wittich Nr. 83 Before the war, he was Adj. of the Truppenübungsplatz Ohrdruf. Regards Detlev Hallo Dete, wann bekam er den Albert Ritter 2Kl.? Er ist auch mein Kandidat, solange der Ritter 2 nicht nachgewiesen ist, möchte ich das nicht behaupten. Gruß Sachsens-Orden.de.vu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Mensch, richtig Spitzenklasse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabaduex Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Can someone comment on the last medal on this bar, of Bulgaria? It's significance, issue date, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Can someone comment on the last medal on this bar, of Bulgaria? It's significance, issue date, etc.? The last ribbon is for the Bulgarian Military Merit Decoration. Kind regards Pierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
922F Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 (edited) First, Detlev, a magnificant bar and wonderful to have to holder's identity!! The Bulgarian piece, probably made by Schwertner of Vienna judging by the center and enamel work, so maybe a pre-1910 and, at least, very likely a pre-1914 award. It is worn reversed on this bar with the obverse turned to the wearer's chest. Reason may be the bar constructor's ignorance or owner's dislike of Prince/Tsar Ferdinand whose monogram appears in the obverse center. Usually awarded in this grade/situation to foreign officers training Bulgarian forces, as a courtesy, or for other peace time service. On the regular [not Military Bravery] ribbon, an option introduced in 1915 and lacking the the 'war decoration' instituted in 1917 for this class. The 'war decoration' consists of a green enamel laurel wreath similar to that of the Imperial Austrian Red Cross award placed around the center medallion. In that variation, the center medallion motto ring base color of green [as in this example] changes to white. Most collectors call this award the Bulgarian Order of Military Merit. The actual decoration name may be rendered as 'the [bulgarian] National Order of Merit, Military Division' and in this case a '5th class with crown.' Prince Ferdinand created this Military Division of the National Order in 1900. Works by Acovic, Petrov, and Denkov--among others--provide detailed analysis of this Order. Edited April 30, 2012 by 922F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I recall this group was for sale at SDA for relatively cheap, but I missed it. My great grandfather was a Hauptmann in the same regiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabaduex Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Thanks for the quick response. A medal bar I own has the IC 2nd Cl., FA Cross, Saxon with Swords, Hindenburg Cross and the Bulgarian order without crown and on the Military Bravery ribbon. I read on another site that the Bulgarian could be awarded to "German soldiers serving in Macedonia" during WWI. How does this sound and can one tell from the ribbon or some other clue when awarded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 RAb- That is a big question. Bulgarian medals were awarded to all the Central Power allies (including Turks!), but circumstances varied. Bulgarian and German troops fought together in Romania as well and German jr. officers and NCOs were assigned liberally to some Bulgarian units to stiffen their abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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