Oldenburg help to put a name on this bar

[Dete]

Hello,

i was able to buy this wonderful bar from another collector.

I wonder if some of the specialists here are willing to help to identify the man behind the awards.

I already tried by going through the 1914 ranglist of IR91 but without any success.

Also i ve a pic from the seller showing his later feldspange with the HOH3X, maybe this could help.

Thx in advance.

Detlev

[azyeoman]

Beautiful bar. Congratulations! I hope you find out who the recipient was.

[rujab]

Hallo Detlev

klasse Spange,zum Glück kein Hesse dran.

Gruss Rudi

[M Hunter]

Dete,

That is a wonderful grouping!

Best wishes

Matt

[Paul C]

I got this guy. He died May 1918. He was awarded a posthumous EH3aX. Oh and he was a Hauptmann. For a name please PM me.

[Poulton Palmer]

Gutentag Dete,

this is superb! ich bin eifersüchtig! I am looking everywhere to buy such a bar but I think I don't look at the right places!! If someone has some spanges for sale, you can pm me.

And Paul has the name of the owner! this is simply a dreambar!

Greetings,

Poulton Palmer

[Deruelle]

Impressive group you have found there.

I've found him easily like Paul,

Here are some dates of awards

Waldeck cross 4th with X : 24.12.1914

Oldenburg cross with crown and swords : 18.02.1918

Knight cross 1st class with X of Saxe Coburg Gotha : 29.06.1918.

In the Rangliste from 1914 there is no mention of the Saxe Albert knight cross 2nd class niehter for the Waldeck cross 4th class. he sould received both just before the war between June and July 1914.

Christophe

[Dete]

Hello,

thx for your help and feedback.

best regards

Detlev

@Rudi, deine neue Errungenschaft hätte aber auch gut in meine Sammlung gepasst :o

[Chris Boonzaier]

So.... who is he?????

Maybe someone has a photo of him kicking around.

[Dete]

Thxs to Christophe and Paul,

it is Hauptmann Werner Gristede from the 3. Kurhessischen Infanterie Regiment von Wittich Nr. 83

Before the war, he was Adj. of the Truppenübungsplatz Ohrdruf.

Regards

Detlev

[Chris Boonzaier]

I dont have that Regt History :-(

One of the other members may have. What a fantastic bar!!

[100ossi100]

Thxs to Christophe and Paul,

it is Hauptmann Werner Gristede from the 3. Kurhessischen Infanterie Regiment von Wittich Nr. 83

Before the war, he was Adj. of the Truppenübungsplatz Ohrdruf.

Regards

Detlev

Hallo Dete,

wann bekam er den Albert Ritter 2Kl.?

Er ist auch mein Kandidat, solange der Ritter 2 nicht nachgewiesen ist, möchte ich das nicht behaupten.

Gruß

Sachsens-Orden.de.vu

[VtwinVince]

Mensch, richtig Spitzenklasse.

[rabaduex]

Can someone comment on the last medal on this bar, of Bulgaria? It's significance, issue date, etc.?

[P.F.]

Can someone comment on the last medal on this bar, of Bulgaria? It's significance, issue date, etc.?

The last ribbon is for the Bulgarian Military Merit Decoration.

Kind regards

Pierce

[922F]

First, Detlev, a magnificant bar and wonderful to have to holder's identity!!

The Bulgarian piece, probably made by Schwertner of Vienna judging by the center and enamel work, so maybe a pre-1910 and, at least, very likely a pre-1914 award. It is worn reversed on this bar with the obverse turned to the wearer's chest. Reason may be the bar constructor's ignorance or owner's dislike of Prince/Tsar Ferdinand whose monogram appears in the obverse center.

Usually awarded in this grade/situation to foreign officers training Bulgarian forces, as a courtesy, or for other peace time service. On the regular [not Military Bravery] ribbon, an option introduced in 1915 and lacking the the 'war decoration' instituted in 1917 for this class. The 'war decoration' consists of a green enamel laurel wreath similar to that of the Imperial Austrian Red Cross award placed around the center medallion. In that variation, the center medallion motto ring base color of green [as in this example] changes to white.

Most collectors call this award the Bulgarian Order of Military Merit. The actual decoration name may be rendered as 'the [bulgarian] National Order of Merit, Military Division' and in this case a '5th class with crown.' Prince Ferdinand created this Military Division of the National Order in 1900.

Works by Acovic, Petrov, and Denkov--among others--provide detailed analysis of this Order.

Edited April 30, 2012 by 922F

[VtwinVince]

I recall this group was for sale at SDA for relatively cheap, but I missed it. My great grandfather was a Hauptmann in the same regiment.

[rabaduex]

Thanks for the quick response. A medal bar I own has the IC 2nd Cl., FA Cross, Saxon with Swords, Hindenburg Cross and the Bulgarian order without crown and on the Military Bravery ribbon. I read on another site that the Bulgarian could be awarded to "German soldiers serving in Macedonia" during WWI. How does this sound and can one tell from the ribbon or some other clue when awarded?

[Ulsterman]

RAb-

That is a big question. Bulgarian medals were awarded to all the Central Power allies (including Turks!), but circumstances varied. Bulgarian and German troops fought together in Romania as well and German jr. officers and NCOs were assigned liberally to some Bulgarian units to stiffen their abilities.