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Hi guys,

After almost 5 years out of the collecting world i want to turn back, in the past i used to concetrate my collecting interest on medal bars and formed a very tiny nucleus of collection, then by studies i decide to quit the hobby.

On those days i made a kind of "dream list" decorations to add someday to my collection and now that i have a kind of job that permits me to get back to collecting world im searching some basic information about this orders.

Lets start with the "Dream List":

1.The Order of the Zähringer Lion ( lower grade - Kinght's cross 2nd Class)

2.Red Eagle Order (lower grade - 4th Class)

3. House Order of Hohenzollern ( lower grade - Silver Merit Cross?? ( please if wrong correct me) )

4. Prussia Crown Order (lower grade - 4th class)

5. Iron cross from 1870 or 1813

As im starting im not pointing to the high grades of this awards (maybe in a future i will be able to spend more money on collecting and afford the higher grades) so i have some questions and kindly ask for your help me on this:

Where i can find technical information about the fabbrication of this orders.

How much can cost the lower grades of this orders ( i know that there are a lot of variations and factors that can condition the prices but i want to have an idea of a medium cost to see how much i can put apart to buy it).

Also i kindly ask if possible that you people can reccomend me a trusful dealer or dealers to buy this kind of decorations(i was surfing the web searching on some dealers but i dont know his reputation so i prefer to hear from you some sugests).

Thanks a lot by the help and I ask to forgive me if im asking so much.

Cordial Greetings,

Carlos

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I think the grade of the House Order of Hohenzollern you are looking for would be the Knight's Cross. With swords, this was the main Prussian award in World War I that was higher than the Iron Cross 1st Class but below the Pour le Merite. I do not know how prices are of late, but I think I have seen them in the 700-800 euro range recently?

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Hi Dave thanks a lot by the corrections on the grade of hohenzollern house order, just the one that im serching for :) , and also thanks by the info about the prices.

Hi Christophe, thanks a lot by the info if the thread on the dealers, im gonna start reading it!!!

Thanks a lot by the info guys!

Carlos

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Red Eagle Order 4th class: 200-300 Euro

Prussian Crown Order 4th class: 150-250 Euro

Here are three German dealer specialized for imperial awards, all very kind and trustful and btw collectors too:

Sascha Wöschler

Torsten Straube

Uwe Bretzendorfer

If you buy orders of your "Dream List" there, you can be sure, these will be originals!

Regards, Komtur.

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  • 5 years later...

Remarking on the other part of your question,  here are some good guide books, among others

Title

Author

Year

Publisher

Orders and Decorations of Europe in Color

Hieronymussen

1967

MacMillan

British Orders and Decorations

Risk

1973

Hayward

Orders and Decorations

Purves

1972

Hamlyn/Sun Books

Ephemeral Decorations

Gillingham

1935

Amer Numis Soc.

Debrett’s Guide to Heraldry and Regalia

Williamson

1992

Headline

Orders and Medals of Bulgaria

Patrov

2000

Voenno Izdatelstvo

Book of Orders of Knighthood and Decorations of Honour of All Nations

Burke

1858

N&M Press

The History of the Order of Bath and Its Insignia

Risk

1972

Spink

British Orders, Decorations and Medals

Hall

1973

Balfour

Court Jewelers of the World

Jacob

1978

Postgraduate International

Catalogue of Military and Naval Campaign Medals and Gallantry Awards

 

1980

Sothebys

Orders, Decorations, and Insignia, Military and Civil

Wyllie

1921

Forgotten Books

European Orders and Decorations to 1945

Duckers

2007

Shire

British Orders and Decorations

Duckers

2004

Shire

Bulgaria Imperial Orders and Medals 1887-1945

Furlan

1996

Militaria House

Parade Medals of the Third Reich

Yanacek

2008

Schiffer

Book of Orders and Decorations

Mericka

1975

Hamlyn

Orders and Decorations

Mericka

1967

Hamlyn

Orders and Decorations of All Nations Ancient and Modern Civil and Military

Werlich

Second Edition, 1973 & 1990

Quaker Press

Spinks Catalogue of British and Associates Orders, Decorations and Medals

Joslin

1983

Webb & Bower

Imperial Austrian Medals and Decorations

Von Falkenstein

1972

-o- private

Militaria: A Study of German Helmets & Uniforms 1729-1918

Kube

1990

Schiffer

Orders and Decorations of All Nations

Werlich

1965

Quaker Press

Military Medals & Decorations of the United States and Europe

Ball & Peters

1994

Schiffer

Medal Yearbook 2004

Mackay & Mussell

2004

Token Publishing

Vernon’s Guide to Orders, Medals & Decoration with Valuations

Vernon

2000

Self/private

The Medal Collectors’ Companion Collecting and Identifying Orders, Medals and Decorations

Vernon

1995

Self/private

Royal Insignia: British and Foreign Orders of Chivalry from the Royal Collection

Patterson

1997, 1998

The Royal Collection

 Medals Ribbons of Imperial Austria and Germany

Neville

1974

Balfour Publications

Militaria – Die Militar Dienstzeichen 1849-1989

Steiner

1993

self

Deutsche Orden & Ehrenzeichen 1800 – 1945

Nimmergut

2017

Battenberg

Bewertung Katalog Deutschland 1871-1945 Orden Und Ehrenzeichen

Niemann

2009

Self/private

History of the Early Orders of Knighthood & Chivalry

Neville

1978

Albemarle

4 volume Borna Barac series called Reference Catalogue Orders, Medals and Decorations of the World instituted until 1945.

Borna Barac

2009 through 2013

OBOL

Ribbons and Medals

Dorling

1974

Philip

British and Foreign Orders, War Medals and Decorations

Payne

1981

Hayward

 

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  • 8 months later...

Here is a Black Eagle shabrack star of the officer’s ornamental saddle caparisons, Royal Prussian Guard regiments from about 1870 until shortly after 1900.  130 MM/5 inches top to bottom I acquired this year. image.png.223c8845f1a6f4811cf4f06454d0155c.png

and a Embroidered imperial regimental banner with tassels for the veterans of the foot Artillery Regiment 14 of the Offenburg unit in Baden Germany  image.png.46bf6dcf11819c486cceca0f219d966f.png

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