JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 And here is one for thought - it can't be precisely dated (sorry Paul, I'm already going south!) - BUT - I think it is worth showing - it has some early features - love the pink bands!! But also, look carefully at the ribbon clasp - it has what appears to be a Sacred Treasure mirror on it. Most of the pieces of which I have photos are what I believe to be later pieces, and none exhibit this feature. Sorry the picture isn't the best! Let`s talk about this mystery ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) Our colleagues certainly know that in case of 3rd class order ribbons we observe two variations of clasps: plate clasp and oval clasp. Let’s take a good look at them. Edited January 14, 2012 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Plate clasp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Oval clasp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Traditionally it is believed that plate clasp belong to Meiji epoch and oval clasp to Taisho/Showa epoch. I think that it will be right to assume that this is indeed the case. The only question is when this change in clasp construction occurred. Of course I don’t think that this change in styles occurred abruptly. Most likely it took at least a couple of years or even more. By my estimates the final and definitive change occurred somewhere between 1910 and 1920. I think that oval clasp was introduced by manufacturers because of its greater convenience and reliability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 And then we have this very interesting and intriguing variation of oval clasp for 3rd class sacred treasures ribbons – oval clasp with image of mirror. Here we have interesting example from Dieter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Dieter example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 And here is another variation of such clasp (clasp has border line and another surface detail contrast). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Here they are together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Obviously both orders are from Meiji epoch. So this type of clasp may be a) the early variation of oval clasp that co-existed for some time with plate clasp during late Meiji epoch b) replacement clasp (and/or ribbon with such type of clasp) that was manufactured by some private workshop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 We couldn’t link this type of clasp exclusively to some ribbon color style, because of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 and this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Well, this is one nice, quiet mystery - that is for sure. Cheers, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Nice photos! Now we need to see more of these types with documents. Wish I could contribute to that! Somewhere, there must be written information about this design and then the subsequent changes. Somewhere..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul L Murphy Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Here is another photo of the Sacred Treasure 3rd Class awarded to Maze in 1920. It has the oval clasp. Once we have some more examples where we know the award date we will hopefully be able to tie down for definite the exact period when the changeover occured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Well, it would at least appear that the oval clasp with the mirror on it is earlier tan 1920!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 And another example of "clasp with mirror" ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 Reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd5822202 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 We couldn’t link this type of clasp exclusively to some ribbon color style, because of this Why the ribbon of this Sacred Treasure Order is pink? What time this type of ribbon has beed used? Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 Why it is pink? Because one of the ribbon manufacturers violated the order statute. Why? Exact answer is not known. Early ribbons for sacred treasure order had several color variations ("pink" is one of them). For more variations see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/56125-judging-authenticity-of-ribbons/page-3 The exact time borders of "pink" ribbons are not known. Most likely somewhere between 1888 and 1910s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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