Saxe-Weimar Order of the White Falcon Information Appreciated

[SCTroy]

Hello

This is my first post on this Site. I posted this on a different forum and I was redirected to this forum for help.

I am seeking information on an Order of the White Falcon Award. I know the basic informaion on this order but have yet to find out how to tell the differences in the Five classes of this order.

What I have is an award that is made of 14K Yellow Gold with Enamel, it is 66mm tall for the top of the ring to the lowest point on the star, The large Crown is 23mm wide, The star is 35mm wide. I would like to know what class is it ? Grand Cross, Commanders Cross or Knights Cross and what the value is.

I am not sure but I think that only the Grand Cross, the Commandres Cross and the Knights First Class Cross were made of gold. Any information would help. Thank you. Jeff.

[Dave Danner]

Yours is a Knight 1st Class.

The Grand Cross measured 106mm x 60 mm, the Commander's Cross 88mm x 50 mm, and the Knight's Cross 63mm x 38mm.

[SCTroy]

Thank you Dave. I knew there had to be an easy way to tell which class it is. I have read every thing I can find on the internet and I have seen a few photo's but know where does it explain how to tell the classes apart other than Gold, Silver or Bronze. I did read somewhere that the Grand Cross was larger than the lower classes and at a different site it said the Grand Cross and the Commander Cross were the same size. Theres not a lot out there but theres enough to confuse a person .

Now that you have explained what I have can you give me an Idea of what value it would have.

Thank you. Jeff.

[Claudius]

Thank you Dave. I knew there had to be an easy way to tell which class it is. I have read every thing I can find on the internet and I have seen a few photo's but know where does it explain how to tell the classes apart other than Gold, Silver or Bronze. I did read somewhere that the Grand Cross was larger than the lower classes and at a different site it said the Grand Cross and the Commander Cross were the same size. Theres not a lot out there but theres enough to confuse a person .

Now that you have explained what I have can you give me an Idea of what value it would have.

Thank you. Jeff.

Hello Jeff;

Yes, size and gilt largely distinguishes the classes -for this order. The measurements that Dave provided bear that out. Also of interest are any hallmarks on the ring or arm providing information as to the manufacturer.

As for price, this is the classic, not many for sale right now, but it isn't ultra rare either. The value will be based mostly on what the last, similar class and quality order sold for, and that can take a lot of sifting through past auction catalogs to determine.

It will certainly command a good price as there are collectors who would like to have it. Especially here on this website, should you be interested in selling it (not me, this one is not quite my area). I’m always interested to know this about examples that surface...where did you get it?

[SCTroy]

Hello Claud

Thanks and I do plan on selling it and I bought at a auction in Bakersfield California.

Thank you Jeff.

[Triadoro]

There is one currently for sale on eBay.usa for a wacky price of $5000, but you could follow it and see where it goes.

http://www.ebay.at/i...9#ht_500wt_1095

Les Rosenbaum in the UK has one for sale for a more reasonable $3900 but it's been sitting there for a bit:

http://www.liverpool...ss-in-gold.html

A wartime glit-silver version of this award sold last month on eBay.de for a little over $1000:

http://www.ebay.com/...#ht_2375wt_1080

Even the Master of Delusion had one for sale for $5500 but it sold as part of General's grouping. You should probably use his website like most everybody else I know... to take his prices and divide them in half to come up with top retail value for an item:

https://www.emedals....ls.aspx?id=7425

The examples from the mid 19th century are the most desirable and command the top prices.

I have a few in my collection but I can't get over how much the falcon looks like somebody pressed him into a waffle iron, or maybe like it slammed into the grill of an automobile.

Edited January 24, 2012 by garfordhouse

[Triadoro]

Now all the Saxon collectors will be offended...

[VtwinVince]

LMAO.

[Triadoro]

Speaking of the Order of the White Falcon, here is a neat Medal Bar with a device "V.d.e.R.S.H" attached to the red ribbon. (Does anybody know what those initials stand for?)

But back to the main question: would a White Falcon Order Knights Cross have been attached to the red ribbon?

Edited January 26, 2012 by garfordhouse

[Wild Card]

Speaking of the Order of the White Falcon, here is a neat Medal Bar with a device "V.d.e.R.S.H" attached to the red ribbon. (Does anybody know what those initials stand for?)

But back to the main question: would a White Falcon Order Knights Cross have been attached to the red ribbon?

Possibly (I think that it would be a stretch), but the "V.d.e.R.S.H" clasp raises questions.

[SCTroy]

Hi Garfordhouse

Thanks for your response and the helpful information. You would think that when you run a search on EBay that it would search all of the different countries. As for the Award listed on EBay/us currently listed for $5000.00! He first had it listed for $9500.00. I know it’s been listed for some time as a Grand Cross. Most likely I will list the one I own on Ebay as well. I thought about posting it on the Forum’s Classified Sales page but I don’t think you can sell items on an auction format. Anyway thank you for the information and humor.

Have a good day. Jeff.

[Triadoro]

Hi Garfordhouse

I thought about posting it on the Forum’s Classified Sales page but I don’t think you can sell items on an auction format.

Hi Jeff,

You might want to try listing it in this Forum's "Best Offer" section. Just post an ad with good pictures and wait for the "Best and Highest" offers to come pouring in. (No obligation to accept the highest offer either.)

Big advantage is no commission owed to eBay!

Best regards,

Edited January 27, 2012 by garfordhouse

[SCTroy]

Hi Garfordhouse

I think I will give it a shot. atleast I would know what kind of price it would bring.

Thanks Jeff

[Triadoro]

This is a picture of a 2nd Class Knights Cross version in silver. As of yet, I have not seen any convincing fakes or copies of this Order.

[Triadoro]

This is 2nd Class version of this Knights Cross in silver. As of yet, I have not seen any convincing copies or fakes of this piece.

[Triadoro]

And a view of the back.

[Triadoro]

And a view of the back...

[Triadoro]

The WFO3b in #14 and #15 above just sold for $675 on eBay Germany, compared to the $1000 sale price that a WFO3bX brought a few weeks ago (also on eBay Germany.)

Edited January 30, 2012 by garfordhouse

[SCTroy]

Hello all

First can some one tell me how do you post a add on the classifield section of this forum.

I know it has been pointed out on one of the older post or it might have been on a different Forum that there is a different pattern’s under the green and red enamel. Looking at different photo’s I have saved from the internet I have also noticed that there is a different pattern on the bridge that connects the Star to the Crown. I would assume that they are from different makers or different time periods. Is this correct? What do you think?

Thanks Jeff.

[SCTroy]

This is the photo with the different types of connection from the Star to the Crown.

[SCTroy]

sorry the photo did not show up. I will try again.

Jeff.

[SCTroy]

Here it is. Maybe

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First of 6 photos

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photo of the side of the award.

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