Bukoushou Badge: Post War Veteran Replica VS. Original Piece

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Take a look at this gorgeous veteran tie with pin in the form of Otsu badge.

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Thinkness

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Reverse inscription

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This one was sold recently at eBay for almost $200

I wonder how much the original Otsu could cost nowadays ...

Here comes one of mine

Obverse

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Reverse

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Details

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Interestingly, many years ago I saw the similar veteran tie but with pin in the form of Submarine badge!!!

(by the way, seller described it as "Japanese Naval submarine school merit badge"... Presumably )

Here it is

Edited August 6, 2012 by JapanX

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Obverse close up

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Reverse close up (same style of inscription!!!)

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Neat post. An advanced medal collector whom I really respect and has provided invaluable source info on various awards and medals once commented to me that he felt the bukosho example I owned could be fake because of a lack of quality in the die. It really did concern me once he pointed it out. Any thoughts?

One the flip side, I've been lucky enough to know someone who had several examples of this medal in different classes, and it was his opinon that the dies were being used and worn down...die marks in the back were one way he felt he could identify period buko-sho badges.

I guess the question is, if the buko-chosho was a military award, is they any info on where it was made? Similarly, if it was made by the normal factory that made other awards, should the quality of the buko-sho badges, even the 2nd class, be better?

Edited August 8, 2012 by kaigunair

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Neat post. An advanced medal collector whom I really respect and has provided invaluable source info on various awards and medals once commented to me that he felt the bukosho example I owned could be fake because of a lack of quality in the die. It really did concern me once he pointed it out. Any thoughts?

Well, could you show your piece?

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One the flip side, I've been lucky enough to know someone who had several examples of this medal in different classes, and it was his opinon that the dies were being used and worn down...die marks in the back were one way he felt he could identify period buko-sho badges.

Most likely there were several different manufacturers ;)

Edited August 9, 2012 by JapanX

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... is they any info on where it was made?

To my knowledge - no info.

Similarly, if it was made by the normal factory that made other awards, should the quality of the buko-sho badges, even the 2nd class, be better?

I think the quality of 1944/1945 buko-sho badges is completely in line with quality of others japanese badges from same time period.

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Different dies or different manufacturers?

Let`s examine several 2nd class specimens

Obverse

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Reverse

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Close up of obverse

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Another one.

Obverse

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Famous slack-baked reverse ;)

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The last one (with flat reverse)

Obverse

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Reverse

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Now please take a look at this compilation

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Kanji style obviously is different.

I am afraid it`s not the wearing-out of dies.

It`s simply different dies

Regards,

Nick

Edited August 9, 2012 by JapanX