Georg14 Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Good Day. Who is maker of this EK1, if it is not fake, certainly. Thanks.
HWerner Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 Revers. The maker was Rudolf Souval, after 1945.
Georg14 Posted October 31, 2012 Author Posted October 31, 2012 Thank You for the answer. But...: 1. after "45 to produce a cross with a swastika was risky and it is improbable, 2. the frame is not typical manufactured by Souval, and there is workplace (on top) of the 2nd class. How all this to combine? Natural fake ? Thanks
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 Hi Souval is in Austria, there is (if I remember correctly) no ban on Swastikas there) I would say definately post war. the little thing on the top is (IMHO) the place where a ring for an EK2 would have been soldered on. Split an EK2 and you have the front rims for 2 EK1, all you need are backplates, which are easier to make than front rims... and pins. I would pass on this, it is terrible.
Georg14 Posted October 31, 2012 Author Posted October 31, 2012 Hi. "...in Austria, there is (if I remember correctly) no ban on Swastikas there)..." - probably presently, but in post-war years it was impossible. "...Split an EK2 and you have the front rims for 2 EK1..." - just this rim wasn't earlier used at EK2 (no slightest signs). Also, as spoke above, it is not typical for Souval. If it is a fake, fakemaker had an unused rims of EK2 ? A few years ago in a network the similar cross was shown, but the rim maker was other. So, is it realy FAKE or kind of product of "ghost" firms of the endtime of war ? Thanks.
marrauder Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 Hi, Georg This will be useful for you http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=624381&highlight=souval+ek1
speedytop Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 Hi Georg, "... but in post-war years it was impossible" Who told you that? Especially Steinhauer & Lück, Souval and also others produced many pieces post-war. Uwe
Georg14 Posted October 31, 2012 Author Posted October 31, 2012 "Especially Steinhauer & Lück, Souval and also others produced many pieces post-war." - yes, but without swastikas.
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 "Especially Steinhauer & Lück, Souval and also others produced many pieces post-war." - yes, but without swastikas. OFFICIALLY not.... but there was a huge trade in knocking up awards as souveniers for allied troops. A lot was made from left over parts... Splitting an EK2 can be done without damaging the frame. I would not buy this. But collecting is about being happy with what you buy. If you are happy with this then fine, but you will have trouble selling it at a later date.
saschaw Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 No, with. There is enough proof for it out there, Speedytop might have something like a mid-1950s sale list handy... As said, this cross is a post-WW2 copy, most likely by Souval from Vienna.
Georg14 Posted October 31, 2012 Author Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Many thanks to all for discussion! Certainly, doubtful subjects I do not leave in a collection. Once again, thanks. Edited October 31, 2012 by Georg14
speedytop Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 Hi Georg, "Especially Steinhauer & Lück, Souval and also others produced many pieces post-war." - yes, but without swastikas." Once again, who told you that? This is a small part of a price list from Friedrich Sedlatzek from 1956 (price list No. 7 !!), where you could order all what you want, with swastikas. Uwe
Georg14 Posted October 31, 2012 Author Posted October 31, 2012 Hi. Unfortunately I did not see such lists, but why You are sure that the products in it were make with a swastika? Is there illustrations too, can You show them? After the WW2 NSDAP outlawed and forbade all its symbols. As a result of it, under a ban there was a carrying of all awards of the Third Reich as practically all of them among the elements making their decorating, had a swastika. Officially it is impossible till present time (You know it better) and especially in the first post-war years. May be this is a list of Official denazified orders of the Third Reich, 1957 ?
speedytop Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 Georg, when I write 1956, I mean 1956. The price list came with the original envelope, stamp date 18.1.57 > 18. January 1957. The German law with all the regulations and the allowance to wear decorations of the Third Reich, several of the decorations only in a denazified version (now called 1957er), is later, from 26. Juli 1957. This price list is definitely from 1956, and there had been offered all the decorations with the handwritten note "Originale wie verliehen!" > original pieces as awarded! It was a hint for the customers: Hi all, this is my last price list with all the pieces with swastika! I don't have the price list No. 8, but I have the price list No. 11 from 1963, and there is no longer offered a decoration with a swastika (officially!). Up to the law from 1957 only Souval had some denazified pieces, for example the Iron Cross without the swastika and no other sign, complete blank on the obverse. But many other dealers offered all the pieces with the swastika on the decorations, e.g. in 1952 Fahnen-Fleck, Erich Beinhorn, Die Ordenssammlung (Dr. Klietmann), Steinhauer & Lück, Rüstkammer Assmannshausen, Souval and others. Uwe
Georg14 Posted November 1, 2012 Author Posted November 1, 2012 Hello. You are probably right, but the hint is only a hint... and it didn't convince me personally. Thanks for information and good luck!
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