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Im april the bataillon Rohr consisted of (I use the german terms)

4 Sturm-Kompanien

1 MG-Kompanie

1 Minenwerfer-Kompanie

1 Flammenwerfer-Abteilung

1 Batterie 10,5cm Haubitzen

1 Pionier-Kompanie

 

Sturm Bataillon had an artillery battery?!  Is this true for all Sturm Bataillon?  If so, I may just have developed an new interest in the units...

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No, only the 5th btl.

Here are the compositions:

SB1: Staff, 3 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp and 1 MW-comp.

SB2: Staff, 4 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB3: Staff, 4 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp, 1 flame-thrower det., Inf.Gesch.Bttr.3

SB4: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB5: Staff, 4 storm-comp (+ 1 park-comp.), 2 MG-.comp., 1 MW-comp., 1 flame-thrower det., 1 Gesch-Bttr.

SB6: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB7: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB8: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB9: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 light MG-Det., 1 MW-comp.

SB10: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-.comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB11: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB12: Staff, 3 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SK13: Staff, 1 storm-comp., 1 MG-Det., 1 MW-Det.

SB14: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB15: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB16: Staff, 4 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp

 

Note: The Inf-Gesch.Bttr.3 was an independent unit, detached to the storm-bataillon, while the Gesch-Bttr. of the 5th belonged to them

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Hi Andy,

Yes, worked in tandem with, not part of. My history of the Sturm=Batl.Nr.1 also includes Infanterie Geschütze Batterie Nr.2's history, since they worked together most of the time.

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Working in tandem a nd part of it are differences.

Sturm-Btl.1 and Gesch.Bttr.2. Does that fit? Gesch.Bttr.2 was bavarian

Those Inf.Gesch-Bttr. normally stood under command of an army-commando.

The were other Inf.Gesch.Bttr., attached to the "Sturm-Bataillon of the 5th army":

Inf.Gesch.Bttr.3 (27.7.16-10.8.16)

Inf.Gesch.Bttr.6 (25.8.16-11.9.16)

Inf.Gesch.Bttr.9 (10.9.16-24.9.16) and attached to Sturm-Btl.14 (11.1.17-23.1.17)

Inf.Gesch.Btl.10 (23.12.16-11.1.17)

The Inf.Gesch.Bttr.8 was attached to Sturm-Btl.6 (9.3.16)

So, of course a lot of the Sturm-Bataillone attacked with guns, but mostly they belonged to the AOK, not to the bataillon

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Not to crack nuts, but Andy's organization of SB 5 stated that the Geschütz Batterie was armed with 10,5cm Haubitze - an artillery piece - vice the 7,5cm Infanterie Geschütz - an infantry weapon - normally of the Infanterie Geschütz Batterie.  That to me was the significant data point and the genesis of my question.  An organic artillery unit to a SB is quite interesting...vice an attached or a "habitual relationship" Infanterie Geschütz Batterie. 

Cracking nuts to be sure...but a significant splinter in my opinion.  Especially when trying to paint a complete picture of German artillery in WWI.

 

 

 

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No, only the 5th btl.

Here are the compositions:

SB1: Staff, 3 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp and 1 MW-comp.

SB2: Staff, 4 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB3: Staff, 4 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp, 1 flame-thrower det., Inf.Gesch.Bttr.3

SB4: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB5: Staff, 4 storm-comp (+ 1 park-comp.), 2 MG-.comp., 1 MW-comp., 1 flame-thrower det., 1 Gesch-Bttr.

SB6: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB7: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB8: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB9: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 light MG-Det., 1 MW-comp.

SB10: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-.comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB11: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB12: Staff, 3 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SK13: Staff, 1 storm-comp., 1 MG-Det., 1 MW-Det.

SB14: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB15: Staff, 2 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp.

SB16: Staff, 4 storm-comp., 1 MG-comp., 1 MW-comp

 

Note: The Inf-Gesch.Bttr.3 was an independent unit, detached to the storm-bataillon, while the Gesch-Bttr. of the 5th belonged to them

Thank you for the composition of SB 4. Info is hard to find.

Jef

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I think it impotant to remember that it was possible /Probable that some Inf Geschütz Batteries were probably on permanent detachment to a SB, although not an intergral part of that battalion. i.e. the only thing seperating them was being on the payroll of that battalion.

The Werner Lacoste book shows how SB Unit commanders were very carful not to get "extra weight" sapping their finances, so a batterie on permanent detachment, but not part of the unit, saved costs for the SB commander.

Anyway, as can be seen the 7th and 14th had batteries detached to them for onger periods of time.

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Hello Jef!

I´ve got this composition from the book:

Deutsche Sturmtruppen (Troupes d´assault allemandes  1914-1918), written by Jean-Louis Lacarde.

But the language is french!

Thank you Andy, I will look for this book.

Jef

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Infanterie-Geschütz-Batterie 6 worked together with Sturm-Bataillon 4.

Sturm-Bataillon 4 had a MW Kompanie with 8 leichte Minenwerfer, a MG Kompanie with 9 MG 08 (later 10 and increased to 12 by 1918) and 2 Sturm-Kompanien (at least early 1917) with 2 MG 08/15 each (by 1918 24 MG 08/15 belonged to Sturm-Bataillon 4).

Sturm-Bataillon 4 also had a MG Kompanie of a Landsturm-Infanterie-Bataillon at its disposal for MG training.

Jan

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One more card.

 

On 25.6.2015 at 08:04, Chris Boonzaier said:

Hi,

 

the Heil Stosstrupp seems to be part of a series....

 

The whole series consists of 6 cards.

Extract from Schumacher/Dorsch: A. Paul Weber: Leben und Werk

"...Weitere Kontakte folgten, so zum Verlag Fritz Würtz in Berlin-Steglitz, der ein Aquarell Webers (Blick auf Wilna) als Postkarte herausbrachte, und zum Verlag der Wanderschriften-Zentrale, Hellerau bei Dresden, der dem Gedankengut der Jugendbewegung nahe stand. Hier erschienen 1917 die drei sechsteiligen Postkartenserien (Anm. 056) „Deutsches Kriegsziel“, „Heil Stosstrupp“ und „Die deutsche Frau in der Heimarmee“

see http://www.weber-museum.de/bio_dor_schu/bio_dorsch_schu_01.html

 

Gruß Stefan

Stoßtrupp.JPG

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I'm skeptical. The backing material is poorly cut and was never sewn to anything. If it was not sewn to a uniform, why would you need to reinforce the attachment of the devices with thread? If I'm not mistaken, this "W" cypher exists on a regimental shoulder board as well. 

Chip 

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4 hours ago, Chip said:

I'm skeptical. The backing material is poorly cut and was never sewn to anything. If it was not sewn to a uniform, why would you need to reinforce the attachment of the devices with thread? If I'm not mistaken, this "W" cypher exists on a regimental shoulder board as well. 

Chip 

so someone got badly burned, then.

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