Hendrik Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 (edited) the marks on the kriegskreuz f?r zivilverdienste stand IMHO for A = Hauptm?nzamt, FR = Rothe Further on the subject of hallmarks etc. :The Wounded Medal in a previous post has WA impressed in the rim as well as 918. I take it the latter is an imperfect impression of the medal's institution year 1918 but what does WA stand for ?On the obverse I seem to be able to make out the designer's name of R PLACHT ... would that be correct ?Gorgeous miniature, Haynau !!! Edited January 11, 2006 by Hendrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 (edited) Sorry hendrik, it took some time. The artist who created the medal was Richard Placht (he died 1962). I'am still searching for the makers mark WA. as soon as i get to know who is behind this letters i will do a posting.regardshaynauPS: you are right the miniature is a beauty but i think of selling it. maybe i will post it in the gentlemans club sale room. Edited January 13, 2006 by haynau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrik Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 The artist who created the medal was Richard Placht (he died 1962). Great ! Many thanks for another little puzzle solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrik Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Gents !I'm in need of identification of this small medal that I've "found". The obverse seems to show the heads of both the Austrian and German Emperors of WWI fame (or infamy !). The reverse reads "F?r das Rote Kreuz Kriegshilfsb?ro Kriegs-F?rsorge-Amt 1914".Any information on this medal, including whether the ribbon is the correct one for it, would be highly appreciated.Thanks,HendrikObverse :[attachmentid=31187] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrik Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Reverse :[attachmentid=31190] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Scanned today for a local friend, my favorite in his collectionOrder of the Iron Crown 3rd Class with War Decoration and Xs on ribbon:[attachmentid=32933]It was made by Rozet & Fischmeister-- my personal favorite maker:[attachmentid=32934](V. Mayer a tie for second place. Rothe--- Oh puhleeeez! All "hype" and no "style!" ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 It swings around too much for its own good on that extra pearl loop, but the level of detail and delicacy is quite pleasing:[attachmentid=32935]Unfortunately I cannot scan up inside the crown where a miniature (even here!) iron bit represents the "nail from the True Cross" supposedly set in the Lombard crown from the Dark Ages which gives the "Iron" Crown its name.Oddly enough, that very same crown was used in the Order of the Crown of ITALY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Order of the iron crownOne of my allt-times-favorites haynau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted April 6, 2006 Author Share Posted April 6, 2006 Anyone got any pictures of the various grades of the Elizabeth Orden.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Here is another Order of the Iron Crown with War Decorations and Swords. This has a different swords device and is maker marked to A. E. Kochert Wein on the reverse banner. [attachmentid=33470] [attachmentid=33471] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Dou you really think it is an oddity? For me it makes sense. all signum laudis awarded for service during wartime were on the war ribbon (kriegsband). the attached swords show in one look if the medal was awarded for service or service in frontline. same with the milit?rverdienstkreuz that was awarded with wardecoration during WW1.haynauYes...... with the Signum Laudis Medals, simply awarded on the War Ribbon alone signifies a "combat" award of the medal....... The swords are redundant and there's nothing in the statutes that using swords signifies anything significant. Repeat awards are shown by the bar alone. Peacetime awards of the Signum Laudis would be on the solid red statute ribbon...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Whereas the Order of the iron Crown bore the same statutory ribbon whether peacetime or combat. The usage of the swords device was to denote the difference between the two....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Again, we have the same situation with the Gold 7 Silver Merit Crosses.... usage of the War Ribbon in and of itself signifies a "combat" award....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 However...... the red statute ribbon agains signifies a peacetime award.... but you will find the swords on the war ribbons....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 However......... like the Iron Crown, The Leopold Order had the same ribbon irrespective of war/peace. However the addition of the swords device was used to denote a combat award.In addition, both the Iron Crown & The Leopold Orders would have additional "Kriegs Decoration" added to the order....... the Laurel leave wreath in enamel for the Iron Crown and the Green Banner/Laurel Leaves for the Leopold Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 As an aside....... if you like the Iron Crown.... here's a nice cased example of the Second Class Neck Decoration mit KD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Up close & personal.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 And the reverse......... Believe it or not, this piece was culled off of eBay by me many, many years ago!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 And the reverse......... Believe it or not, this piece was culled off of eBay by me many, many years ago!!I believe, same happend to me in december 2004 on ebay.com. An old iron crown second class before 1867 without ribbon of course in gold.by the way, the boxed second class is a real beautypictures from the same type 3rd class in Goldhaynau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 detailshaynau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 backsidehaynau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 The real gold versions of this order can be breath-taking. I was heavy into Austrian before Saint Henry/Saxony led me astray ;>) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Nick: All I've got is the ladies' bow ribbon of (probably) one of the medals of the Elizabeth Order [attachmentid=33668]Which has been crowning my Christmas trees (artificial!!! no sap!!) for the ast 35 years or so. (We also eat Swedish Christmas cookies off the presentation platter given by Commodore D?nitz to his departing Chief of U-Boats Administration in the spring of 1939... a variety of Strange Seasonal Customs for sure...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 But, as it happens, as I scan away at that local collection--Leopold Order, Knight, in gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold[attachmentid=33673]Too bad about the ding to the crown enamel on the obverse! And the 3(?) Wolf's head A (Vienna) gold mark, with <FR> tax release "duty paid" mark:[attachmentid=33674]Notice that some Suspicious Person sliced the ring a few neat little scratchs to make sure! The <FR> here is NOT a Rothe maker mark. I haven't found ANY actual maker on this one... though these are so tiny it may be eluding me. Not sure what fineness the wolfie =s, since I only have a chart with the silver finenesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 1872-1922, for Gold 580/1000haynau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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