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Serbia Kingdom medal Bar on Ebay

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Greetings Emanuel,

I saw that medal bar, I think it was sold for somewhere about 200$. What do you think about this one?

Same seller, no "hooks" for medals and a bit sloppy sewing. Some of the ribbons were identified by the seller,

he said that all of them are from Obrenovic era except 1913 war commemorative medal (+Red Cross medal).

Anyway If I am not mistaken this bar is consisting of:

--White Eagle

--Takovo Cross

--St. Sava

--Aleksandar Obrenovic coronation medal (according to seller)

--Silver bravery medal (1876, 1877-78, 1885-86)

--1876-78 war commemorative medal (according to seller) [on non-combatants ribbon?]

--1885-1886 war commemorative medal

--Serbian Red Cross medal (white, peace-time ribbon)

[if this ribbon was for a cross, not medal, I think it wouldn't have been on the place before the last]

--1913 war commemorative medal

Does anyone happen to have a complete order of precedence for Serbian (Obrenovic dynasty era) and then later

Yugoslav (Karadjordjevic dynasty era) decorations? I would be very grateful is someone could share it with us.

Regards,

Radmilo

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Greetings Radmilo,

Here is the table of rank decree for military orders and medals from 1939. For Obrenovich period I'll need extra time to dig it out from my computer and library.

Rank decree for Military orders and medals (1939)

Rank decree for Military orders and medals (1939)

1 Star of Karageorge with Swards 1st Class

2 Star of Karageorge 1st Class

3 Star of Karageorge with Swards 2nd Class

4 Star of Karageorge 2nd Class

5 Order of White Eagle with Swards 1st Class

6 Order of White Eagle 1st Class

7 Star of Karageorge with Swards 3rd Class

8 Star of Karageorge 3rd Class

9 Order of White Eagle with Swards 2nd Class

10 Order of White Eagle 2nd Class

11 Order of Yugoslav Crown 1st Class

12 Order of St. Sava 1st Class

13 Star of Karageorge with Swards 4th Class

14 Star of Karageorge 4th Class

15 Order of White Eagle with Swards 3rd Class

20 Order of White Eagle 3rd Class

21 Order of Yugoslav Crown 2nd Class

22 Order of St. Sava 2nd Class

23 Order of White Eagle with Swards 4th

24 Order of White Eagle 4th Class

25 Order of Yugoslav Crown 3rd Class

26 Order of St. Sava 3rd Class

27 Order of White Eagle with Swards 5th Class

28 Gold military star of Karageorge with swards

29 Silver military star of Karageorge with swards

30 Order of White Eagle 5th Class

31 Order of Yugoslav Crown 4th Class

32 Order of St. Sava 4th Class

33 Order of Yugoslav Crown 5th Class

34 Order of St. Sava 5th Class

35 Gold medal for bravery

36 Silver medal for bravery

37 Medal for coronation of Peter the I

38 Albanian retreat medal

39 Medal for military virtue

40 Gold medal for zealous service

41 Silver medal for zealous service

42 Gold medal for civil merit

43 Silver medal for civil merit

44 Cross for charity

45 Commemorative medal for 1912 war

46 Commemorative medal for 1913 war

47 Commemorative medal for 1914-1918 war

48 Order of Red Cross

49 Gold medal of Red Cross

50 Silver medal of Red Cross

51 Bronze medal of Red Cross

52 Other commemorative medals; i.e medal for liberation of southern land; medal for liberation of northern parts, civil medal (royal household medals), medals for soldiers (sharp shooter medal etc.)

Serbian medal bar:

Star of Karageorge with Swards 4th Class; Star of Karageorge 4th Class; Order of White Eagle with Swards 4th Class; Order of White Eagle with Swards 5th Class; Order of White Eagle with Swards 5th Class; Gold military star of Karageorge with swards; Silver military star of Karageorge with swards; Order of White Eagle 5th Class; Order of Yugoslav Crown 4th Class; Order of St. Sava 4th Class; Order of Yugoslav Crown 5th Class; Order of St. Sava 5th Class; Gold medal for bravery; Silver medal for bravery; Medal for coronation of Peter the I; Albanian retreat medal; Medal for military virtue; Gold medal for zealous service; Silver medal for zealous service; Gold medal for civil merit; Silver medal for civil merit; Cross for charity; Commemorative medal for 1912 war; Commemorative medal for 1913 war; Commemorative medal for 1914-1918 war; Order of Red Cross; Gold medal of Red Cross; Silver medal of Red Cross; Bronze medal of Red Cross

Regards

Srdjan

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Srdjane thank you so much! I was looking for it for quite some time now... Considering how much the order of precedence is important and that it can be very useful

to other members of the forum I suggest that we make a new, separate topic about it. I don't want to take the credit for your work so it would be nice if you could

find some time to start that topic yourself. I was able to find the order of precedence from 1883, I will post it here soon.

Kind regards,

Radmilo

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Rank and precedence of the Royal Orders from 1883:

01: Order of the White Eagle 1. grade

02: Order of the White Eagle 2. grade

03: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 1. grade

04: Order of the Cross of Takovo 1. grade and

Order of the White Eagle 3. grade

05: Order of St. Sava 1. grade

06: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 2. grade

07: Order of the Cross of Takovo 2. grade

08: Order of St. Sava 2. grade

09: Order of the White Eagle 4. grade

10: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 3. grade

11: Order of the Cross of Takovo 3. grade

12: Order of St. Sava 3. grade

13: Order of the White Eagle 5. grade

14: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 4. grade

15: Order of the Cross of Takovo 4. grade

16: Order of St. Sava 4. grade

17: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 5. grade

18: Order of the Cross of Takovo 5. grade

19: Order of St. Sava 5. grade

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Same seller - new bar. Sold for 50$. On the first place is, according to the seller, Golden 1885-86 bravery medal, but it could also be for the Medal for diligent service in war. On the second place is Commemorative medal for the restoration of the Kingdom (4 red and 3 white stripes) and on the last place is Medal for merit towards the Royal House (Obrenovic era type). On the back side are ribbons for Hindenburg Cross if I'm not mistaken (maybe some other decorations had the same ribbon?). If authentic very interesting medal bar for scarce decorations.

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Similar medal bar was shown to us by bovec1313 (topic: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/42307-serbia-what-is-this-war-medal/)

Commemorative medal for the restoration of the Kingdom, recently sold on ebay for 3700$!

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This one was sold I think in 2005 in Serbia for 1800 euros.

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Medal for diligent service in war (1885-86), again ebay, 700$.

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Golden bravery medal (but 1877-78, not that rare as the 1885-86 medal), Barac & Pervan, December 2012, 350 euros.

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By the way, this might be interesting to you in case you haven't seen it before, one more "empty" medal bar. This one was sold on one Serbian auction site

for around 150 euros.

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Now with decorations, it was recently on sale. On 6th place wrong medal.

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That is an example, at the "Liverpool Medals" company, that shows the Albanian retreat medal in the FIRST place, even before a M. Obilich medal....

That´s odd enought!!!

Miguel

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Greetigns Miguel,

The medal Bar as it is, it's original construction,no doubt about it, just I think there is an addition when it comes to medals itself.

For example ,the 4th and the last one doesn't fit in this medal Bar (4th is the Best shooter medal where it should be the Silver Medal for Zealous Service and the last one is the Commemorative medal of Serbian Turkish War where it should be the WW I Commemorative King Peter's Cross 1914-1918).

We have several examples that the Albanian retreat medal of Serbia Kingdom attached in wrong places, what we have here seems is a low rank officer that had big adventures and troubles during Albania Golgotha passing, thus for him,this medal have special weight, thus special treatment at first place on his Bar instead of the Milos Obilic Gold Bravery medal of WW I as you wisely noticed.

NOT SO uncommon I should add ;)

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Greetings gentlemen,

I agree with Emanuel, looks genuine to me. When you take a look at the back side of the medal bar you can see that the Albanian retreat medal was added later. It could be that it was the last award that person received and then just placed on the already existing medal bar (in my opinion better there, on the first place, than on the last one). Stranger thing about this medal bar is that the Obilić medal is placed after Medal for military merits and Medal for zealous service...

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