Bavaria The Bayerische TapferkeitsMedaille

[Chris Boonzaier]

How many variations of this are there? Does anyone have a real gold one? Older models?

Copies and Spangenstucke etc also welcomre on the thread.

Thanks

Chris

[Chris Boonzaier]

Here is a silver one I used to have, the loop was repaired... it was also a Reis one...

[spolei]

Hello Chris,

would you show me the backside of the silver medal, with a better foto of the eyelet ?

The engraver was Ries, not Reis. The medals with the big portrait are all Ries-medals, if they are original

Regards Andreas

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi Andreas,

I traded it years ago.... it was a good one, someone had it in a vice and the marks were on both sides... I think they had it in the vice when they redid the ring...

[dond]

A wearer's copy.

[spolei]

A wearer's copy.

Hello Don,

do you know the age of this kind of copy?

There is no FEK on the bar, so it would be sewed before 1934.

Regards Andreas

[dond]

The problem with matching these to makers/eras is a lack of catalogs from the interwar years. Post 1920-pre 1934 is my best guess.

[spolei]

Hello Don,

that's the problem. I would exclude the producer Godet, but I don't know the other producers in the 20th and 30th. A lot of medals were "faked" in the 80th and 90th.

Regards Andreas

[dond]

Deumer has one in their catalog.

[waldo]

 

Hello everybody, I have just seen the topic. Since I want to make a few additions.
Here is a Ries, type 2b in gold

Best regards

and another type 1d in gold:

Edited July 25, 2018 by waldo

[VtwinVince]

Very, very nice examples.

[waldo]

type 1a in silver:

 

 

a type 1c in silver:

 

 

a type 2a in silver:

 

 

a typ 1d in silver:

Edited July 25, 2018 by waldo

[waldo]

Here is an overview of the variants of the Royal Bavarian Military Merit Medal.

Have fun and best regards Walter

 

Edited July 25, 2018 by waldo

[Chris Boonzaier]

An interesting pic.... recipients of the TKM in line receiving their awards....

[spolei]

Very interesting photo. At the 15th IR, 12 soldiers received the TM before May 16, 1915.
However, different award dates are entered in the ranking lists.

[Chris Boonzaier]

29 minutes ago, spolei said:

Very interesting photo. At the 15th IR, 12 soldiers received the TM before May 16, 1915.
However, different award dates are entered in the ranking lists.

Agreed, but for some guys I find 2 or even 3 dates for some awards... I assume all had it approved on different dates but the physical handing out was done at a ceremony

[spolei]

There are different dates for the medal for bravery. Act date, day of award, day of publication in the prescription sheet. The soldier was then honored on such occasions.

[Chris Boonzaier]

9 hours ago, spolei said:

There are different dates for the medal for bravery. Act date, day of award, day of publication in the prescription sheet. The soldier was then honored on such occasions.

It is possible that especially this early in the war the old "You have been awarded the medal, here is the ribbon, the actual medal will be presented at a later date" could already have been in play. This could have been for 2 reasons... supply ... and the fact that the award was considered high enough that the presentation would be carried out by a high authority, and out of the line when the regiment could be assembeled for a ceremony...

[spolei]

Until May 16, 1915, a total of 12 medals were awarded to soldiers of the 15th IR, so almost all medal holders must be.

[waldo]

I would make a little correction here. The three importent 
different dates are: 

1st: day of deed, 
2nd: approval by the king and 
3rd: Issuing date of the certificate

In the ordinance sheet of the Ministry of War, the date of the act 
is given as a standard in connection with the name.

The reason for this is that the award is always made retrospectively
to the date of the crime, so that the Benefit supplement are not 
reduced by delayed Commission decisions. The allowance always begins 
on the day of the deed.

[Chris Boonzaier]

Indeed... but I think the day the soldir recieved the actual medal, on a parade, may be the most important to him

[waldo]

If the soldier does not find the payment of the money order so important, 
it is certainly so.?

[waldo]

Here the golden military merit medal of Joseph Hoffmann, chief fireworker 
1st AR "Prinz Luitpold", for an act on December 8, 1870 near Beaugency-Cravant. 
He had already been awarded the silver medal for 1866.

Best regards, Walter

[waldo]

Hello,
All recipients of the Bavarian Military Merit Medal 
(Medal of Bravery) from 1793 - 1918 are published by the OMSA. 
If you're interested, just take a look there.

https://www.omsa.org/verleihungen-der-churfurstlichen-ab-1-januar-1806-koniglich-bayerischen-militar-verdienst-medaille-von-1793-1866-an-bayerische-truppenangehorige/

https://www.omsa.org/verleihungsliste-der-trager-der-bayerischen-militarverdienstmedaillen-im-ersten-weltkrieg/


Best regards
Walter