Chris Boonzaier Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 OK... who has sharp eyes.... its an easy one for the cross guys... (I would never know without looking at the ring stamp ;-) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Godet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 OK, your turn... make it an easy one so I have a chance as well :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Actually yours wasn't a cinch, because many makers used this core. It was the frame that told me Godet, and only because I know their frames by heart now. Here's one for you, and this one is easy. Only one maker used this core: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrauder Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 AWS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Hmm... if that be right... its your turn to post one! Trevor, am i right in seeing the ring on that has not beensoldered closed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrauder Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 That´s AWS. Unsoldered ribbon ring - and small ring on hump. Here is my turn. Quite easy, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 Is it RW ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrauder Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Yes, quite easy: MFH. Of course you're right about AWS The easy ones are crowns (cores) which only one maker used. If you show a common one, you have to look to the small part of the frame showing and guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 Hi, the advantage to that is, you may see new combinations you had not seen before. Youre up... a simple one please, i begin to feel left out ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 (edited) My goodness, an easy one? I don't think it gets any easier than these so far (really) OK, one more very easy one: Edited February 6, 2013 by Streptile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 CD 800 ??? Did I get it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrauder Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Bingo, hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 OK... here goes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 See what I mean? Same crown as the Godet but that one might be "R." I have to get my files to check the frames as I'm not so good on "R" frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 See what I mean? Same crown as the Godet but that one might be "R." I have to get my files to check the frames as I'm not so good on "R" frames. I think an interesting way of seeing who mixed what. Check the R frames (would be good to know), but it has a longer stamp on the ring.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 Am I right in thinking that a foundry poured the cores and a stamping company made the frames? How many companys were big enough to be a foundry and a stamper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Am I right in thinking that a foundry poured the cores and a stamping company made the frames? How many companys were big enough to be a foundry and a stamper? You are sort of right. Cores were only cast (poured) in the early years of the war. It is my opinion that cast iron cores were made by foundries and bought by jewelers to make Iron Crosses. Anyway, this was how it was done in 1813 and 1870 and core-sharing was so epidemic that I'm quite sure it was done the same way in 1914-19??. Later in WWI, when everyone switched to painted stamped steel cores, my opinion is that more and more jewelers manufactured their own cores. Basically the same machinery that stamped frames could be used to make cores, so why not? A few makers maintained the same designs from the cast to the stamped cores (Godet is one but there are others). For this and a few other reasons, I believe Godet may have had the facilities for casting cores as well as a press for stamping them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 OK, here is the maker mark... i thought it was WILM at first glance... now i have no idea.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 This is a bit ugly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) See, that one will be practically impossible; my guess is that at least 20 makers used this core (most common: KO). Most of the easy ones are gone... Edited February 8, 2013 by Streptile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 OK, I thought it was soooo ugly only one would use it... it was HB... Here is a thought.... Would foundry produced cores have totally died out? If they were producing, and had contracts, they would have kicked up a fuss if the ek makers suddenly said "we dont want any foundry cores anymore..." , Based on assumption, but I would think the foundries went on producing till the end, and due to the huge increase in the last two years, the stamped cores took over the slack, and began to way outnumber them at a certain point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 OK, to test a theory..... Any ideas on this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Here is a thought.... Would foundry produced cores have totally died out? If they were producing, and had contracts, they would have kicked up a fuss if the ek makers suddenly said "we dont want any foundry cores anymore..." Based on assumption, but I would think the foundries went on producing till the end, and due to the huge increase in the last two years, the stamped cores took over the slack, and began to way outnumber them at a certain point.... I suppose that's all possible in theory, but that is an awful lot of assumption and speculation Also, the crosses themselves don't support the theory. Late war hardware on a cast core cross? Can't think of an example. As for the crown you showed, it's such a common type, and used on so many, many early unmarked crosses, that I honestly couldn't begin to guess. With a crown like that, what we're really being asked to guess about is the frame -- same as the one just before. As I said, I think most of the easy ones are done (although I can think of a handful more). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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