Hoss Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Gents An original Gew crank bayonet from my collection Best Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 very nice! The only one I hae seen that I like better was unit stamped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan H Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 For your interest... unit marked Demags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan H Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Sorry - having trouble posting pictures. Tells me I cant use .jpg or .png files? Is there an attachement button somewhere? Must be doing this wrong... help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Hi Allen, You must hit the "More reply options" button, and it allows you to add pics... I find Jpegs best. All the best Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan H Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Thanks Chris - unit marked crankhandles should be below! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 Very nice Allan uuumm do you barter? Poor Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan H Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Hi Eric Nothing going to the grave with me but some things might be along for the ride for quite awhile! Having said that the Saxon IR103 might be up for something I dont have. All the best Allan nzherbi@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 All pieces are veeery nice ideed :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 (edited) Interesting that all three Demags are from Saxon units. So, are the markings telling us that these are government issue? I had thought that these were private purchase pieces. Chip Edited August 4, 2015 by Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Interesting that both Demags are from Saxon units. So, are the markings telling us that these are government issue? I had thought that these were private purchase pieces. Chip That's new to me Chip always thought they were gov.issue the knives without the proof you could buy from the corner shop and send to your hubby soldier do you have more info? There was two issues the early jobs have the full Deutsche Maschinenfabrik and D.R.G.M. stamps [Hughes] Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan H Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Hello To my knowledge these crankhandles (EB1 according to Carter nomenclature) were officially issued (alongside EB2) to Prussian and Saxon troops primarily as trench knives. The Bavarians were offered the EB1 and EB2 but refused them saying they were too expensive and just bought regular trench knives for their troops. In May 1915, orders were given for six trench knives to be issued to each front line Infantry company - by June 1916 this had been increased to 24 per company. I think that the preponderance of Saxon unit marks on EB1 and EB2 just represent very conscientious Saxon armourers. EB1 with non-Saxon unit marking have been found but are even rarer the Saxon marked EB1- that are quite rare themsleves! Almost all EB1 and EB2 will have a small inspection stamp somewhere. Hope this helps. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share Posted June 2, 2013 Thanks Allan Do your examples have the 'bayo scabbard spring' or a single? Eric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 Picked up these this year very happy to find the steel job both Ernst Bush circa 1916 together with their big brother a EB49 with muzzle ring intact for the gewehr 98. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adler 1 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 you Lucky you! Adler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 16, 2013 Author Share Posted October 16, 2013 you Lucky you! Adler 1 Thanks Karel I missed out on one of those nice fabricated jobs like you and Allan have a lovely one on ebay that'll be my next focus. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Picked up these this year very happy to find the steel job both Ernst Bush circa 1916 together with their big brother a EB49 with muzzle ring intact for the gewehr 98. Eric All three are fantastic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trajan Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 To my knowledge these crankhandles (EB1 according to Carter nomenclature) were officially issued (alongside EB2) to Prussian and Saxon troops primarily as trench knives. The Bavarians were offered the EB1 and EB2 but refused them saying they were too expensive and just bought regular trench knives for their troops. In May 1915, orders were given for six trench knives to be issued to each front line Infantry company - by June 1916 this had been increased to 24 per company. I think that the preponderance of Saxon unit marks on EB1 and EB2 just represent very conscientious Saxon armourers. EB1 with non-Saxon unit marking have been found but are even rarer the Saxon marked EB1- that are quite rare themsleves! Almost all EB1 and EB2 will have a small inspection stamp somewhere. Hope this helps. AllanI'd like to know where you got most of those details please! I don't recall Carter saying anything about these first being offered to the Bavrians, etc., but I am old and so my memory could well be seriously at fault!As for possible "very conscientious Saxon armourers." I am not so sure... I have been compiling (very slowly) an index of unit marks on imperial weapons for my personal use (I am up to 1,000 or so by now), and off-hand, I don't recollect the Saxons being more or less 'conscientous' than any of the other state armourers when it comes to unit-marking . That said, I have some way to go yet with this project and so all might change! However, as there are many more marked Saxon ones than non-Saxon ones, it could well be because Saxony ordered them specifically for its own use. Until 1915, when bayonet orders were centralised at Erfurt, bayonets were ordered by the individual states (which is why most S.14 are marked to Bavaria and Wurttemburg), and this could well have been the case with these EB 01's. Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 What happened to the posted images Chris? it may be important to new collectors they all look squashed.Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan H Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Hello Trajan & HossDelayed reply to some points. Yes, its was Carter that wrote about the Bavarian's not wanting EB1s.Trajan - I too have a list of unit markings on Imperial Bayonets - its now has over 6000 entries.Regarding EB1 I have 29 recorded unit marks. Of these, 16 are Saxon and remaining Prussian. Eight of the Saxon markings are to IR102 and two to IR103 (interestingly markings for IR103 are only on the scabbard suggesting that their armourer decided to just do half the job) and two to the 1. Saxon (12th) Fieldartillerie Reg. The numbering to IR102 suggests that they issued EB1 to every soldier in the Regiment so it might be that the Saxon's decided to equip all their infantry and artillery with EB1 - hence why we see so many. Definitely, different armourers had different practices during wartime for marking weapons with most not bothering. See my recent book on the S14 bayonet for more on this http://www.imperial-german-bayonets.net and also correct info on who they were issued to.Best wishes to allAllan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trajan Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Hello Trajan & HossDelayed reply to some points. Yes, its was Carter that wrote about the Bavarian's not wanting EB1s.Trajan - I too have a list of unit markings on Imperial Bayonets - its now has over 6000 entries.Regarding EB1 I have 29 recorded unit marks. Of these, 16 are Saxon and remaining Prussian. Eight of the Saxon markings are to IR102 and two to IR103 (interestingly markings for IR103 are only on the scabbard suggesting that their armourer decided to just do half the job) and two to the 1. Saxon (12th) Fieldartillerie Reg. The numbering to IR102 suggests that they issued EB1 to every soldier in the Regiment so it might be that the Saxon's decided to equip all their infantry and artillery with EB1 - hence why we see so many. Definitely, different armourers had different practices during wartime for marking weapons with most not bothering. See my recent book on the S14 bayonet for more on this http://www.imperial-german-bayonets.net and also correct info on who they were issued to.Best wishes to allAllan Thanks for that information! So, over 6,000 unit markings? That's a fair few! Perhaps at some point we ought to swap details! I have the S.14 book and have greatly enjoyed it, thanks. Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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