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    Posted

    Hello Christer,

    thank you.

    On the award document for the second class it is still written "Hauptmann"...so maybe the Finnish authorities mixed sth up.

    Regards

    Detlef

    Posted (edited)

    Bonjour,

    I just got the book of Hein Johannsen on Werner Mummert,
    he also received 2nd class of the Liberty cross (but photo 4th class)
    Thierry

    Edited by Thierry
    Posted

    Hello,

    I do have one more name for your list:

    Leutnant d. Res. Hans Karl von Winterfeld, Jäger-Bataillon 14

    Libertycross III. class, 21 November 18, (No. 368)

    Commemorative medal 3 July 1919

    regards

    jaeger7-de

    • 8 months later...
    Posted

     

    Hi Christer,

    recently the medal bar and the documents from 

    Leunant der Reserve Otto Jdel from 4. Kompanie 

    Reserve Infanterie Regiment 255 have been sold.

    He got the Freiheitskreuz III. class.

     

    Regards

    Andreas

    Posted

    That is really interesting. I own weidgen's Award document for the Finnish medal of Liberty. All His Other documents i sold 4 years ago to a German collector

    Posted

    Ok, that is good to hear. Hopefully they have Not Been so expensive...regarding other stuff from this House ????

    • 8 months later...
    Posted
    On ‎22‎-‎6‎-‎2013 at 09:12, christerd said:

    Thats a fantastic piece Mikko !

     

    One of the nicest I´ve seen :jumping:

     

    Even if reserach going on I give a couple of more names just to check if I´m right :unsure:

     

    Liberty Cross 1st Class without Swords with Breast Star 1918 2 awarded

     

    Lauri J Ingman

    Pehr E Svinhufvud

     

    Both Finnish Politicians.

     

    One thing I learned the last days is that my numbers for awarded Liberty Crosses is far to low :cheeky:

    I thought there where only 509 3rd class 1918 awarded but the real numbers must be more than 1000 !

     

    Also 2nd Class 1918 I thought 152 awarded but the real numbers is closer to 300 , they are not so rare as I thought.

     

    The same goes probably for 4th class , I already seen that I have more names for 4th classes wo X and with Red Cross then I thought was awarded in total. It will be interesting to see the final numbers someday.

     

    Christer

    Hi all,

    Could the wearer of this unnamed ribbon bar have been one of those 2nd class 1918 ricipients?

    Regards. Peter

     

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    Posted

    Wow again, the newest and probably most true award numbers on Liberty Crosse 2nd Class is 271 awarded

    And 102 to Germans so your bar is one of 102 :)  1 to a Bavarian , and 2 to Saxon officers so that leave us with 99 possible

    Looks that he has Army Long Service medals which means that the 60 Navy officers could be ruled out so we are down to 39 possible.

    The Oldenburg Cross could pont to Oldenburg Dragon Rgt 19 who was in Finland 1918.

    Here is some names of Germans with Liberty Cross 2nd 1918

    Graf von Bernstoff   - Had Austrian Merit Cross

    Georg Carp ?  

    Hans Karl von Esebeck ?

    Nikolaus von Falkenhorst

    William Halling  - Had other Awards 

    Adolf Hauger 

    Ludwig Heckmann

    dr Theodor Heynemann  - Bavarian , had other wards 

    Ernest Moritz von Kaisenberg - Had other awards

    Benedict Kreutz 

    Arthur Lehmann

    Christian Mathes 

    Ludwig Müller - Had other Awards 

    Martin Otto

    Otto Scheferling

    Hans Schenk zu Schweinsberg

    Hans Siebold

    Otto Theim 

     

    If we can find what awards these officers above had maybe we can shorten the list even more .

    Christer

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Posted (edited)

    Hi Christer,

    why would you rule Marine Officers out? The eagles from Heer and Marine

    are equal. The Luftwaffe eagle is different.

    Kind regards
    Andreas 

    Edited by dedehansen
    Posted (edited)
    22 hours ago, drspeck said:

    Hi all,

    Could the wearer of this unnamed ribbon bar have been one of those 2nd class 1918 ricipients?

    Regards. Peter

     

     

    Lovely ribbon bar Peter! :)  I don't think we can know for sure if this is a WW1 2nd Class or WW2 awarded grand cross, first class or second class decoration. The ribbons were the same.

    P.S. You cannot count out the Kriegsmarine. As Andreas says, the eagle devices were the same as the Heer.

     

    Edited by P.F.
    Posted (edited)
    3 hours ago, P.F. said:

    Lovely ribbon bar Peter! :)  I don't think we can know for sure if this is a WW1 2nd Class or WW2 awarded grand cross, first class or second class decoration. The ribbons were the same.

    P.S. You cannot count out the Kriegsmarine. As Andreas says, the eagle devices were the same as the Heer.

     

    Hi all, thanks for all the info.

    Some good points have been put forward. It's an interesting combo. The Oldenburg cross makes me think it's a naval officer, but the Westwall medal and the field-grey backing makes me think it is Heer... :banger:

    Do we know of any full lists of names for the 2nd class 1918 and/or the 2nd and higher classes for the 41+ recipients?

    On a different note, does anyone have a spare device for a ribbon bar for a 3rd or 4th class cross? This bar came without....

    Regards. Peter

     

    Seven_Ribbon_Rib_52c2dd2e79066.jpg

    Edited by drspeck
    Posted
    On ‎14‎/‎02‎/‎2016 at 17:51, drspeck said:

    Hi all, thanks for all the info.

    Some good points have been put forward. It's an interesting combo. The Oldenburg cross makes me think it's a naval officer, but the Westwall medal and the field-grey backing makes me think it is Heer... :banger:

    Do we know of any full lists of names for the 2nd class 1918 and/or the 2nd and higher classes for the 41+ recipients?

    On a different note, does anyone have a spare device for a ribbon bar for a 3rd or 4th class cross? This bar came without....

    Regards. Peter

     

     

    Hi Peter,

    Certainly there were many Heer officers with the Oldenburg FA Cross. The West Wall and the field-gre backing made me think Heer as well.

    I like your other bar also.  :) Good luck finding a device for it.

    Posted

    After a short thinking I realize that Peters Ribbon bar probably show a 1941 2nd class Liberty Cross instead of a 1918. Then the combination of awards make more sense.

    I have to how many 41 awards there where to Germans - I'll be back !

    christer

    Posted
    12 hours ago, Stogieman said:

    here's a nice bar

    jkfinnbar.jpg

     

    Yeah, that is a nice bar!  :love: :love:

    Proud Saxon.  I like what the bar says to me.  Can we see the reverse too?

    Posted

    Nice bar. The soldier received the finnish liberation medal in 1938, but did not get the Hindenburg cross in 1935.

    maybe just a small part of a formely large medal bar

    detlef

    Posted
    1 hour ago, misiu said:

    ...The soldier received the finnish liberation medal in 1938, but did not get the Hindenburg cross in 1935...

    detlef

    Wait, what?...wasn't the Finnish Liberation Medal issued in late 1918?

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