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I want to show this wonderful photo of GL v. Knoerzer and (probably) his staff of the 7.Ldw.Div.

Please note, that he wears the Abzeichen für das militärische Gefolge König Wilhelms II v. Württemberg

Here is the names list:

I. Unten stehend (von links nach rechts)
Hauptmann Gutbier, Kriegsberichterstatter
Kriegsgerichtsrat Bunz
Hauptmann Edelmann, 1. Generalstabsoffizier
Leutnant Gallion, Nachrichtenoffizier
S.Exz. Generalleutnant von Knoerzer
Rittmeister Jobst, Adjutant (Fhr. der II.Abtlg.)
Hauptmann Peters, 2.Generalstabsoffizier
Hauptmann Spaeth, Kommandant des Stabsquartiers
Rittmeister Hofmann, Führer der Bagage

II. Auf der Treppe stehend
Rittmeister v. Zeschau, 1.Ordonnanzoffizier
Rittmeister Freiherr v. Waechter, Geschützoffizier
Oberstabsarzt Dr. Hocheisen, Div.Arzt
Assessor Rud, Div. Intendant

Edited by The Prussian

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Andy,

That's a great photograph. I believe it shows the staff of the 54. Reserve Division. Hptm. Edlemann was the 1. Gen. St. offiz. of that division from Jan 1916-Jul 1917. Looking at the Württemberg awards lists, he, Dr. Hocheisen, and saxon Rittm. v. Zeschau all received awards while assigned to that division. Also, v. Knoerzer was its commander from Jan 16 to Jul 1917.

Andy

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Hi Andy!

You are right with your infos, but the 54.RD always used to be at the western front. If I look at the house, it seems to be eastern architecture, but that´s just a guess...

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There are two sign posts in the bacground maybe they could help with determining the location.

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No, Paul. Unfortunately not.

The right sign one only can read "Pferde..."

And on the left is readable:

"Mit Ausnahme von Meldungen

beim Div.Stab(?)

Erledigungen aller

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Here's another. His tunic is nicely tailored.

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Hi ccj!
Thanks for the photo. There too, as a General he wears the Abzeichen für das militärische Gefolge König Wilhelms II v. Württemberg .

Who was allowed to wear it? How many people wore it in that period? I couldn´t find any informations

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Andy,

Nimmergut gives a total of 35 awards between 1897 and 1913 in recognition of service with the military suite of König Wilhelm II. He had served as a Flügeladjutant around 1895-1897.

Regards

Glenn

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Hi Glenn!

Brilliant! Thanx a lot for that info! So v. Knoerzer recieved that badge sometimes between 1895-1897, right?

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Andy,

presumably in 1897 when it was first awarded? In fact he had been a Flügeladjutant since 24 November 1892.

Regards

Glenn

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Gents,

He was a "diensttuender Flügeladjutant" from 24.11.1892-23.02.1895. He remained a Flügeladjutant while a squadron commander in Drag. R. 25 from 23.02.1895-10.09.1897.

Andy

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ah, ok.

If it´s first been awarded in 1897, it makes sense, that he would have been recieved it then.

In the catalogue of 2008 the award was listed with 4500€! So it´s really a rare photo. I may not say, what I did pay for it... :cheeky::whistle:

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Hi all,

A bit late, but here is another photo of von Knoerzer and his staff. You can view more photos like this by typing 'Der Vormarsch der Flieger Abteilung 27 in der Ukraine' and clicking on the second link from the top. (You can use the zoom function to view the photos at close range whilst still retaining the excellent image quality).

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Check out the ribbon-bar on the guy in the front row, 2nd from the left !

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Oh yeah, great photo Thanx a lot!!!

Does anyone know the man with the large medal-bar?

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He appears to be a General Staff Hauptmann. It is very interesting that he has so many awards.

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Similar tunic, different rank...

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Hello!

The question is: Which staff is it?

Karl v. Knoerzer led the 7th Ldw.Div from 26.7.1917 until armistice. The Korps Knoerzer was the staff of the 7th Ldw.Div., led by the staff of the 20th. Ldw.Div.

I´ve found some officers of the 7th. Ldw.Div.

24.january 1917:

Commander: Gen.Lt.z.D. v. Wencher

Chief of staff: Prussian Hauptmann v. Berghes (Ritter des kgl. württembergischen Militär-Verdienstorden, 20.2.1917)*

1. adjutant: Hauptmann Ritter v. Molo

2. adjutant: Hauptmann d.L. Greiß

* The were two v,Berghes. Both served in the Hus.Rgt.11, I didn´t find a Hauptmann, but Rittmeister

Rittmeister Kurt v. Berghes (last duty: Generalstab den General-Quartiermeisters), later Major a.D.

Leutnant Bruno v. Berghes (last duty: Generalstab 216.Inf.Div.), later Rittmeister a.D.

Maybe the man on the photo is Kurt?

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Hi,

Well I believe it dates from spring/summer 1918.

The picture was part of a photo-album of Flieger Abteilung 27 during their time in the Ukraine.

I think the first two awards on this guy's ribbon are the EK and HHO3X, but I'm a beginner in this field so I could be well off the mark...

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You may very well be right. He appears to have at least one Turkish award and am Austrian. As for the general, I've searched for other photos but all I've found show von Knoerzer wearing the same Litewka or Kleiner Rock...looks more Litewka to me.

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The photo must be taken after january 1917, so you might be right with 1918.

The former Feldflieger-Abteilung 62 did change the name into Feldflieger-Abteilung 27 in january 1917.

I have found, that the Flieger-Abteilung 27 was under command of the Heeresgruppe Linsingen in march 1918. It changed into Heeresgruppe Eichhorn (Kiew) in april 1918)

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Hi,

Just re-opening this thread because I have found a few more pics of General von Knoerzer online

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