Uncategorised Originals or fakes...Opinions needed.

[Kamilos]

here you are..

let me know what details are you watching at on the front side...

are they eagle wings, furs, paws?

and fr also..

Edited September 10, 2014 by Kamilos

[Tom_Aindow]

atleast youre not the guy who took the plunge and got greedy and bought a fake bloody luft 2nd pattern dagger, gutting! auction sites suck! price undisclosed!!! haha

[Kamilos]

hey guys.

again some new findings on trade forums...
first panzer badge, definetly a fake one

second one infantry piece... a fantasy one or perhaps an unmarked unknown producer??? I have no idea, any comments are welcome

[Kamilos]

Hello. Again some recent findings from polish trading sites. Obiously all copies nicely make.

[fischer]

Hello.

Thank for replies. Honestly as You all mentioned, the mountain troops badge is a very strange one. Ive google internet and search some books and still I havent found it. Any ideal if its really a fake or perhaps some unknown type? Please gimme any idea.

Concerning a new piece of art:

I bet copy, because of the base clip, what do you think??

Hello

Concerning your IAB...your intuition is correct and this one is a fake often found on the re-enactor sites.

It is patterned after the ShuCo / ShuCo Design family of IAB's and has been aged to give it that "been there" look.

Here is what they look like prior to the aging technique.

Best Regards, fischer

[Kamilos]

again, some crazy fakes from polish auction sites!

cheers!

p.s. thanks fischer for valuable info!

Edited November 10, 2014 by Kamilos

[Kamilos]

guys, an interesting story.

old pilot badge found on an old air field in west poland. and week after its cleaning. original berlin juncker, just missing clip. any opinions?

[Jock Auld]

I think I would not have cleaned it personally ?!

That is if it is even the same badge?

Jock

Edited December 10, 2014 by Jock Auld

[Kamilos]

it was cleaned by a chemist using some acids such as citric acid and others. imho it looks better than the dirty found piece. it is the same badge, ;]

[Kamilos]

hello collegues.

Im uploading three badges, waiting any opinions. In my personal examiantion I find those three pieces original. Any comments will be valuable., thank you

[Kamilos]

extreme copies, from well known auction site - just for educational and collectors purpose.

because of huge amount of infantry badges on polish markets, also fantasy pieces are found.....

[J Temple-West]

Morning, K

Looks like you are getting better at this....

The items in post #35, going on the pictures supplied, look like they have a good chance of being originals.

Still, better to ask for better pics and 'right of return' if you are thinking of buying.

[Kamilos]

Hi John.

Browsing many flee market sites is very time consuming, but its worth the effort to gain some knowledge and expertise level when comparing to some model book examples and when im not sure, ask some more experienced forum friends.

My latest discovery is quite unique I guess...... Besides classic and unique arm shields, such as krym, demjansk, narvik, cholm, kuban that are rare to get in original piece, and in good condition.. my latest discovery involves a finding of some very crazy nasty copies, a fantasy pieces im guessing. Perhaps you already know those fantasy types, but for me and accoring to an comparable article on: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/campaign_awards/shields/campaign_shields_main.htm---> those are trully some pieces of art!

p.s. there was also a post on forum about ones user collection that had all original campaign shields, even warsaw one.. was it even an original pieces, since according to history sources all warsaw arm shields were edstroyed during warsaw uprising???

p.ps. jes john, those on pic 35 are 3 original pieces I bought, after triple check with my 4 books on german militaria

Edited January 12, 2015 by Kamilos

[Bubba_Z]

Hello. Again some recent findings from polish trading sites. Obiously all copies nicely make.

 

Hi, zinc Minesweeper is not a fake. It's original Deumer.

Cheers,

Hubert

[Kamilos]

thanks hubert!

[Kamilos]

Rcently I have acquired a very nice PAB in silver -SA-  with broken pin. Is it for sure an original piece?

 

 

[Kamilos]

two mister pieces:

1- first mk - any comment on this badge would be great, is it a rare maker?

2- mistery inf badge with reversed number 7 on reverse (marked with arrow) - also please, any comments would be valuable.

thank you

3- huge massive clasp - according to my findings, all badges with this type of clasp are copies, made in UK around 1960? - (finding after a small help of Jock - thank you

 

comments would be valuable!!!

thank you

Edited February 4, 2015 by Kamilos

[Jock Auld]

Kamilos,

I will point out badges are not my main effort but I could not find a badge of that type with that catch and given your location I suspect you will be subjected to an endless bombardment of copies.

I also stated to you privately due to your location I will not comment on your ground dug stuff! The further East you go it seems the more often folk will dig a grave to steal from the dead, I will not be a part of that unlike WRF/WAF.

Never seen an MH or heard of it but look at it yourself, it is only an inf assualt badge, it has the look it is complicated in it's construction with the crimped needle, ball hinge and crimped catch, it looks worn in the areas one would expect, got to be worth a punt if the price is not outrageous? it would be really hard work to replicate this production tequnique and to what ends as it would no doubt be quickly rummbled? I think we would also be seeing a lot of them already if it were fake? Give it a spin!

Edited February 4, 2015 by Jock Auld

[Kamilos]

Hello. Recently I have found few very interesting pieces of parachutist hand combat clasps. Are those badges very hard to obtain??? All I have found on the internet are copies. Below clasp image found on the web.

Does anyone of you fellow collectors have this badge in original piece?

[speedytop]

Hi Kamilos,

 

"Are those badges very hard to obtain???"

 

How hard is it, to obtain fantasy badges?

 

"All I have found on the internet are copies."

 

You found copies of fantasy pieces? Can you show examples with links?

 

Uwe

[Kamilos]

Hello Uwe.

For quite some time I have been wondering about identity and originality of those clasps.

Here are some links for you; (I cant find the one www site where this 'fantasy" piece was for 450euros...............)

p,s, Im really interested in this topic.

 

1) Luftwaffe Fallschirmjager

Close Combat Badge Bronze, silver gold:

http://www.milprom.com/German/Luftwaffe/index-Luftwaffe.htm

 

2) http://thirdreichshop.com/luftwaffe-paratrooper-combat-clasp-bronze-wwii-nazi-german-medal-award/

[speedytop]

Hi Kamilos,

 

there are now 4 different versions of these fantasy badges. The lower badge is in my collection.

 

 

Uwe

[Kamilos]

Thank Uwe. This informations are very valuable for me.

What about navy hand combat claps?

 

http://www.milprom.com/German/badges/

http://thirdreichshop.com/wwii-ww2-nazi-german-ss-wehrwolf-cuff-title-uniform-insignia/

 

 

[speedytop]

Hi Kamilos,

 

1. copy

2. copy

3. 57er version (low quality?); versions in silver and gold are nonsense (fantasy).

 

Uwe

[Kamilos]

Thanks Uwe.

So many fantasy pieces are confusing.

 

 

 

Belowe, I would like to share my new discovery.

 

 Rudolph Karneth, RK-  IAB unsigned badge!

1-3 image- my acquired piece

4th image- screenie from german militaria.com