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It is not unusual that these instruments are unmarked when used by HJ, DJ, DAF, or other organisations.

On many occasions they were owned by the musician, or they were bought from private stores and suppliers by the Bann, Jungschaft, or what else.

Also, these fanfares were used by many other organisations such as Scouts, Christian or Catholic youth groups, Communist or Socialist (uniformed) youth formations, etc.

The same applies to wooden kettle Landsknecht drums with black or red flames on a white kettle, they are still in use to day (the only difference is a modern skin instead of an organic skin).

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Odulf,

Yes, I think this is the rule rather than the exception. The guy was very nice and was obviously not that bothered about it. I think it is of the period but you can never know for sure which orginisation used it. From your list I would like to think the Communists as that would be 'rocking horse droppings'! It is another good contact made though and he is not online which is good! He was complaining that he can't sell TR stuff openly so I have given him my number, lets see if anything happens, fingers crossed!

Jock :)

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