Claudio Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Dear Forumites,I'd like to show to you, my dear friends, my latest purchase; a super-mega long trapezoidal ribbon bar (old style) with the following ribbonsPreussen, EK 1914 am KämpferbandMecklenburg-Schwerin, MVK 2. Kl. am Kämpferband für Auszeichnung im KriegeHohenzollern, silberne Verdienstmedaille mit SchwerternSachsen, Friedrich-August-Medaille am Friedensband (why the gilded swords device???)Deutsches Reich (1871-1918), Südwestafrika-Denkmünze (in Stahl very likely)Preussen, DA für UnteroffizierePreussen, Medaille des Roten Adler-OrdensRumänien, Treudienst-Orden (cross?)Rumänien, Hohenzollern Hausorden (which class?)Grossbritannien, Royal Victorian Order (MVO or RMV?)Sachsen, Friedrich-August-Medaille am Kriegsband (why on the bottom of the bar???)Very likely the wearer of this bar was an functionary (or page) at the principality court of the princes of Hohenzollern in Sigmaringen (South Germany) and probably served in the 40th fusiliers regiment "Fürst Karl-Anton von Hohenzollern (see also http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Füsilier-Regiment_„Fürst_Karl-Anton_von_Hohenzollern“_(Hohenzollernsches)_Nr._40 ), which explains the Rumanian orders on the bar (see connections of the Principality of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen with the Kingdom of Rumania: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_I_of_Romania ). Maybe there're further connections to the Saxon or Mecklenburg-Schwerin ribbons.Any corrections or clues that would enable to finally give a name to this bar would be most thankfully appreciated!Thanks in advance and enjoy the pictures!ciao,Claudio Edited May 31, 2015 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 That is a beauty and one I would love to have in my collection. Congratulations on acquiring such a fine piece! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Very impressive! Did you pick it up at the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share Posted May 31, 2015 Thanks guys... Your words of appreciation count a lot to me. CPS: I pm'd you Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Hello, Am not a ribbons expert but i believe the yellow with black strip is a peace time ribbon, and the yellow with light blue strip is for war.cheers,chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 What does the Roumanian House Order of Hohenzollern look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Very similar to the German one...http://www.ordersandmedals.net/World/Rumania/Rumania.htm Edited May 31, 2015 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 so allegedly, it was not really an order, rather a cross, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Claudio, Without a doubt, this is one of, if not the most beautiful ribbon bars I’ve ever seen. As they say, “Variety is the spice of life!” Congratulations and best wishes, Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 @ David: the Rumanian branch of the house order of Hohenzollern was a dynastic order as the German one, with different classes (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Order_of_Hohenzollern#Romanian_House_Order @ Wild Card: thanks a lot for your kind wordsClaudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I am thinking this maybe an officer's bar with a 25 year LSC and a red eagle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Niiice one! Definetly a long serving NCO.No. 4 looks like a Swedish Sword Order - maybe the silver cross? GreetingsDaniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Odd enough, Alan G. owns a small "new style" ribbon bar from the same guy without the peacetime foreign stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) Hi Daniel!I didn't think no. 4 as the Swedish swords order... Because of it's placement, but it could well be: maybe the wearer of the bar thought of it more than other medals and orders on the bar.It's cool that somebody has in his collection the little brother of this trapezoidal bar.ciao,C Edited June 9, 2015 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Niiice one! No. 4 looks like a Swedish Sword Order GreetingsDanielI agree with both of these statements. A really nice ribbon bar with GREAT foreign awards (Romania and Great Britain!). I do believe that number 4 is the Swedish Order of the Sword, with swords (think it come with and without (more) swords).I think number 11 is on Friedensverdienste ribbon. That would make it a peacetime award and it would naturally fall back in ribbon ranking. Curious why he put the Saxon FAM after Romania and GB, but I think the owner believed that Saxon award was just another foreign country and the medal ranked below the Romanian and GB awards he earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 from wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I think it could be an officer's bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) This one is still driving me mad. Any new results or ideas, from anyone, anywhere? I felt like the combination might suggest a navy NCO, so I played around in CSForrester's excel "Gesamtliste". With no result. No Romanian awards to NCOs at all recorded there, nor any from the Prince of Hohenzollern. Surprisingly few British awards as well, but every navy NCO had at least one Russian plus one Ottoman medal. Not really, but that's what scrolling through the list felt like. The smaller "new style" ribbon bar, and I have no doubt they belonged to the same man, seems tidier. Probably the easier way to finally identify him... maybe rather among Prussian officer ranks? I tend to think there are some of those damn "close enough" ribbons being used. The awards the ribbons on Claudio's bar actually stand for cannot make a proper match. Edited April 25, 2023 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 Thanks Sascha, for looking into it. It's really a very elusive bar to identify... who knows; maybe one day we will find a picture of the wearer on the net... Rick L. would have enjoyed it very much to search for it... Cheers, Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1812 Overture Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 23 hours ago, Claudio said: Thanks Sascha, for looking into it. It's really a very elusive bar to identify... who knows; maybe one day we will find a picture of the wearer on the net... Rick L. would have enjoyed it very much to search for it... Cheers, Claudio Sir, what kind of medal are you looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) Hi! I’m not looking to identify medals or orders on the bar but the whole bar to a possible wearer. This however is not so easy... best regards C Edited August 14, 2019 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Beautiful and interesting bar, congrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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