mchapman Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Greetings Gentleman, I picked up something (will post once its in hand) and the clothing label has me a bit stumped...I see evidence of a P.B.9 as well, but cant be certain until I can inspect up close. Disclaimer, I ve got a lot of learning to do regarding ranks and structure of Germany's wartime army, forgive my ignorance in advance! Br. Kol. 2. (Pr.) Pion. Batt. If Im not mistaken, this is: Brucken Kolonie 2, Prussian, Pionier Battalion... bridge engineer? Also, what is an Oberpionier? I came across a WW2 abbreviations document which says this is a sapper, but I haven't seen anything from WW1 with this rank. Any clarity on this is greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dane Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I think it's "Brücken Kolonne" instead of "Kolonie"... I would translate "Ober" to something like "Senior" (as in Senior Sgt., Senior Engineer etc.). /Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odulf Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Oberpionier (as Oberjäger, etc.) equals to Unteroffizier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 This looks like a label from one of the items that came out of a costume shop in Germany last year. Many of the items had been reissued postwar, but were originally connected to the Pionier Batl.Nr.2. The caps I saw were Einheitsmützen and had many stamps on them, both wartime and postwar. Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Jup indeed, I acrually rememember this one! I also got one from the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 10 hours ago, Odulf said: Oberpionier (as Oberjäger, etc.) equals to Unteroffizier Unfortunately not, the correct order from military ranks are: Pionier, Oberpionier, Gefreiter, Obergefreiter etc. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dienstgrade_der_Wehrmacht Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Dedehansen, You are talking about WWII ranks. I don't believe the rank "Oberpionier" existed until after WWI. The Etikette is probably from the Reichswehr period. If anyone thinks this is incorrect, please add your information. Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchapman Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 So far, the references I've seen to it are WW2 sources, it did cross my mind that maybe the label was Reichswehr. Just making an assumption the label was WW1 era. Nice catch Chip! Once in hand I'll post pics. Chris - was your einheitsmutze missing the the cockades? Seems to be a common attribute with these things. Thanks for all the input everyone, I appreciate it greatly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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