Igor Ostapenko Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 french, germany's and austrian production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 anybody can post pictures of St. Alexander order from 1881-1886 yy ? ( I have only one ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 You've got real rarity! I don't remember seeing such type for sale. I checked all my books and only Prof. Pavlov has this type listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Hi Igor I saw this one on ebay not long ago. I have seen similar once more. This one has features of the princely 1st St Petersburg emission {the cross form the obverse medallion and the loop on top} and early Rothe King ferdinand model (the swords and the reverse medallion It is interesting piece It is like what the French called "Hybrid' that is why New World could not find it in the books with the standard decorations Here are some pictures of my early 1881-86 model It is the 2nd St Petersburg Emission with very big letters on the obverse the medallion which is not flat the reverse medallion is flat like the first St. Petersburg Emission Also pictures of orders like yours but is the 1st St. Petersburg Emission (see the swords shape and the reverse medallion} and like mine (part of an exclusive medal bar} They are not mine just for information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share Posted October 14, 2016 Thank Toy, Graf ! My order 5 class, but with gilded medalion . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share Posted October 14, 2016 few nice pictures from internet order with Rothe hallmarks and order of Prince Alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Hi Igor, That what i suggested that your Order is an early Rothe. It is suggested that the very early orders were not made only by the Russian Makers , but few pieces made by Rothe do exist.and they are not mentioned in the books by the Bulgarian authors Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Fantastic pieces you guys have. In the next Kuenker auction there is a nice collection of Saint Alexander from different periods. There is a 6th class swds above the cross with only 10 being awarded Have only seen one other from that period and that was over a decade ago. No idea if they make copies in that grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Hi Yankee, Do you mean the model with the swords directly attached to the cross It is very difficult to say whether it is copied or not Being rare model it can attract the attention of the wrong people. I have one and I have seen few more It looks like that there are to variations of this model Here they are One comes form Bulgarian Dealers the other(the second one - with more detailed swords on the back and no connetion on the mid point between the swords and the cross) comes mainly from Germany They are very early Prince Ferdinand emission by Rothe The design copy the model from the earlier Prince Alexander emission. Although I have seen only 4th and 5th Classes from Prince Alexander emission but not 6th Class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Hi Graf Yes that is exactly what I meant. It seems the one being offered at auction has the swds a bit more raised over cross then the one you provided. Perhaps they are silver plate so I doubt they are of high quality. I don't know the difference or if anybody knows the difference of a 6th class from Alexander's time to the early years of Prince Ferdinand. Pictured is a 6th class of a solid silver example that was probably a private purchase. Unless all the early ones were made of solid silver with the bulbous arms. This one is a two part construction, most likely for the 1877 War. It looks identical to your gilded one however the swds on reverse I think were detailed. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted May 31, 2019 Author Share Posted May 31, 2019 On 14/10/2016 at 20:54, Igor Ostapenko said: few nice pictures from internet order with Rothe hallmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted June 2, 2019 Author Share Posted June 2, 2019 production Ph. Wondra from Darmstadt https://ak-group.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=20683 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paris Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Hallo Hier mal ein früher Alexander. 5 Klasse Wir Alexander Auf Gnade Gottes und Willen des Volkes Fürst von Bulgarien In Zeichen an unseren besonders wohlerwogenen Wunsch verleihe wir an: Unseren Kammerdiener Mathias Kamuff Unseren Orden St. Alexander Fünfte Stufe mit Schwerter Wir befehlen das, es soll im diese Urkunde, versiegelt und von Uns persönlich Unterschrieben ihm überreicht werden. Sofia, den 26. August 1886 Siegel No. 247 Unterschrift Büro des Kanzlers des Bulgarischen Auszeichnungen Unterschrift des Kanzlers Gruß Paris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted June 2, 2019 Author Share Posted June 2, 2019 Great !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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