VtwinVince Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Need help with this medal bar, which I believe is from the 1905 war. Can anyone help with the maker of the St. George Cross? Note the number stamped at the eyelet. Also, this is not my area of collecting, so if someone could give me a rough idea on value, it would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 Come on people, nobody has info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Hello Vince; I can't speak for anyone, but this bar seems to be a bit problematic; ribbons, hanger, rings, medals. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorka Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Too bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 Gentlemen, I am not a collector of this material, so you're going to have to explain to me why this is no good. Are all the medals fakes? What makes them fakes? Who is producing this material? Laconic comments such as 'too bad' are completely meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 34 minutes ago, VtwinVince said: Gentlemen, I am not a collector of this material, so you're going to have to explain to me why this is no good. Are all the medals fakes? What makes them fakes? Who is producing this material? Laconic comments such as 'too bad' are completely meaningless. Hello Vince; When examining Imperial German medals and badges there are a few "tells" that all collectors like to use to distinguish the fakes from the genuine. Still some items fall outside this scrutiny and are able to fool the experts. Imperial Russian items seems to have taken this to another level. There are so many medals that have been copied over the years and their production techniques have improved to adjust for these past "tells". No one tell alone is sufficient to judge and now a battery of tests have to be considered when considering a piece. Any public disclosure of these small discrepancies will only continue to educate these Fakers and they will make improvements. My best suggestion is to closely, closely examine these medals under magnification and compare them with other, known genuine medals...and medal bars. I think you will see the differences in finish, details and wear patterns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 Thanks for your input. In all honesty I find these Russian medals a complete minefield. I have seen worse looking items deemed original, and vice versa. I have had a good look at these, and they are die struck and show a lot of wear. I know the quality is atrocious, but this is nothing new for this material, as far as I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorka Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Let Claudius correct me, but the font alone tells the tale on the St.George cross. See the difference from these originals. . Edited October 17, 2017 by Egorka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 Hi egorka, Thanks for those images, very useful. So if I understand you, only one font was used for these pieces? Do you think the other two medals are also fakes? It seems amazing that someone would go to the trouble of producing such fakes and then getting obvious details such as the font wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorka Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Hello! Not only one font. More or less everything. You know what, I do understand it is a bit frustrating that people cannot tell you one big specific thing which is wrong. Well, maybe someone else can, but I cannot. A lot of this is expert opinion. Mine is negative. But I would be glad if you or someone else can convince me otherwise. F.ex. this is a fake one. Looks similar to the one here. These are good ones: These are good: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Fake of course and quite obvious one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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