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I don't think I'm being unreasonable when I say that Police LSGC's are pretty common and it's frustrating that they don't have the Bobbies force engraved on the rim.

So when you get one with it's box or paperwork it adds to the allure?

A few years back I manage to add just such an example to my collection. I'm not aware of any interesting or indeed famous cases that this chap might have been involved in. He clearly served during WW2 and I'm in no doubt that he did his bit as North Wales took a lot of bombs meant for Liverpool. It's also of interest that Prestatyn in North Wales was the only place in the UK to be bombed by the Regia Aeronautica.

Anyway I digress the point I'm trying to make is that this chaps LSGC on the face of it is nothing exciting, however, when it's looked at in a little more detail to me it does become a little more interesting and dare I say it rare.......

PC HUGHES must have joined the in the late 1930's, I have a book about the history of Caernarfon Constabulary were he is listed in a nominal role for the force and I believe he was stationed in Llandudno.

You will note that he has the Gv1R version of the medal and that he lid of the box says Gwynedd Constabulary.

Gwynedd Constabulary wasn't formed until 1950 and E11R became Queen in 1953. Which means that HUGHES medal must have been issued at some point during that 3 year period, I can't imagine there being that many Bobbies who qualified for their LSGC in Gwynedd Constabulary during those three years. I'm not suggesting that HUGHES medal is in anyway more valuable than anyone other Police LSGC, but I would suggest that it could be classed as rarer than your average one to me, anyway.......................

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These medals don't come up very often, so was  delighted to be able to add this medal to my collection. It being the first time it's been on the market, bought from his family. 

Howard Ellis 
Born circ 1919 Pentrefoelas went to school in Llanrwst. 
Served WW2 in the Welsh Guards
Joined the police after the war. 
His brother Cynwal Ellis was also a PC as was his son Gwynfor Ellis.
Stationed at.... 
Llandudno
Bethel
Caernarfon 
Llanuwchllyn.
Promoted to sergeant in 1957 and served in Penygroes followed by Caernarfon.
Died whilst still serving in 1970 at the age of 51 of cancer.

 

It's difficult to make out what they are but he certainly is wearing at least two other medal ribbons on the below picture. I assume they are the 1939-45 Star and War Medal. The Welsh Guards, were at Dunkirk. 

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When the Police Exemplary Service Medal (LS&GC) came into being 1951. All officers serving with the requisite time served (22 Years) got it so if John Hughes joined say 1920'2 and was still serving 1951 then he got the medal. This happened in all forces and Liverpool City Police must have got hit for  hundreds of the awards ( There being over 1000 joining in 1919 alone to bolster ranks after the Strike)

 I work on the assumption that everyone gets 15 minutes of fame (I am still waiting for mine) and so had a look at John  Hughes and he may be one and the same as, John HUGHES, born 10:2:1896,  Son of a  Farmer, David and his Wife Jane living on a Farm at Meifod, Llanrhaido, Denbigh. He probably served WWi and joined the Police on demob. I found that he had served on Anglesey during WWII and resided with his Wife Ann Hughes Nee Jones at 23 Well Street, Amlech, Anglesey. Working on my 15 minutes theory he may well have been serving there in the Borough Force  prior to Amalgamation/s and if so  May have been involved in the Arrest/Aftermath of the Murder of PC Pritchard in 1924.

Wishful thinking, maybe, but possible and I can find no other  John Hughes who fits the bill.

Hope of use

Peter

 

 

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Peter,

Interesting that you should mention the murder of Constable Pritchard of the Anglesey Constabulary. Attached is a photo of his murderer being arrested. The Senior Officer at the back of the group is the Chief Constable of Anglesey, Robert Protheroe. I guess that there can be few occasions when the CC leaves his office to supervise an arrest. That said, the murder of a bobby on the (then) sleepy island of Anglesey must have been an earth shattering event. Of course, in those days the police prosecuted in the lower courts and I'd wager that Mr. Protheroe himself prosecuted at the murderer's first appearance at the Magistrates Court.

Dave.   

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7 hours ago, Deelibob said:

When the Police Exemplary Service Medal (LS&GC) came into being 1951. All officers serving with the requisite time served (22 Years) got it so if John Hughes joined say 1920'2 and was still serving 1951 then he got the medal. This happened in all forces and Liverpool City Police must have got hit for  hundreds of the awards ( There being over 1000 joining in 1919 alone to bolster ranks after the Strike)

 I work on the assumption that everyone gets 15 minutes of fame (I am still waiting for mine) and so had a look at John  Hughes and he may be one and the same as, John HUGHES, born 10:2:1896,  Son of a  Farmer, David and his Wife Jane living on a Farm at Meifod, Llanrhaido, Denbigh. He probably served WWi and joined the Police on demob. I found that he had served on Anglesey during WWII and resided with his Wife Ann Hughes Nee Jones at 23 Well Street, Amlech, Anglesey. Working on my 15 minutes theory he may well have been serving there in the Borough Force  prior to Amalgamation/s and if so  May have been involved in the Arrest/Aftermath of the Murder of PC Pritchard in 1924.

Wishful thinking, maybe, but possible and I can find no other  John Hughes who fits the bill.

Hope of use

Peter

 

 

Many thanks for this Peter, it is certainly very thought provoking and something I shall certainly took into further!!!!!!

If it is the same John HUGHES, then this is his house on Well Street. 

 

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On 27/02/2019 at 19:19, bigjarofwasps said:

These medals don't come up very often, so was  delighted to be able to add this medal to my collection. It being the first time it's been on the market, bought from his family. 

Howard Ellis 
Born circ 1919 Pentrefoelas went to school in Llanrwst. 
Served WW2 in the Welsh Guards
Joined the police after the war. 
His brother Cynwal Ellis was also a PC as was his son Gwynfor Ellis.
Stationed at.... 
Llandudno
Bethel
Caernarfon 
Llanuwchllyn.
Promoted to sergeant in 1957 and served in Penygroes followed by Caernarfon.
Died whilst still serving in 1970 at the age of 51 of cancer.

 

I have been able to confirm that his other medals are the France & Germany Star & the War Medal, for his service with the Welsh Guards during WW2. 


His collar numbers during his police service were 193 as a Constable & 4 as a Sergeant. 

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Latest addition to my North Wales Police collection. E11R (second type) to Insp Neville YATES.

Neville died in 2018 and his medals first appeared in an auction at a Colwyn Bay auction house in 2019. They commanded a hammer price of £240.

A couple of months later they appeared on Ebay, however the group by this point was missing the 1953 Coronation Medal and the 1977 Medal.

I contacted the seller who informed me that when he'd bought them he had discovered that these two medals were in fact copies, so had taken them out of the group. A quick check of the rolls confirmed that he wasn't entitled to these medals anyway.

A further check confirmed that he wasn't entitled to the WW2 medals either.

I was however able to buy the LSGC and police badges for a very reasonable price.

I have been able to find out a considerable amount of information about this career in Gwynedd Police and later North Wales Police, which I will post on the forum over the coming days, which I hope will be of interest. 

 

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This is what I've been able to piece together about Neville YATES.

Neville YATES 
Born Blaenau Ffestiniog 1935
Grew up in Bodedern near Holyhead. 
Went to school Holyhead. 
Nickname Wsti & Yapper
 National Service - RAF? 
Collar number 427 and 27
Rossett early 1960's
Wrexham 1965 (CID)
DC Gresford 1967 (Gwynedd Constabulary)
Sergeant Denbigh mid 1967 on promotion from Wrexham. Lived in police houses on Maes Stanley. (Gwynedd Constabulary) gave Richard Morris's daughter and angora rabbit as a present. 
Inspector Llangefni late 1970's (Gwynedd Constabulary / North Wales Police)
Inspector Llangefni between 1973-1976
Inspector Llandudno eary 1980's North Wales Police)
Liked the ladies. Was married three times. Married a nurse before moving to Llandudno (third wife)
?Retired 1985? 
Mayor's consert Llandudno
Mayor Llandudno
(worked Ops Room Colwyn Bay at some point) Played snooker on nights.
Lived Penryn Bay
Walked his West Highland Terrier Hamish on Penryn Beach.
Daughter called Sandra married Chris Redmayne.
Died 2018. 
 

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Syliva HULME


Born August 1950 (originally from Kinmel Bay)
Went to school at Abergele Grammar (Emrys ap Iwan) - photo dated April 1967 
Police Cadet  17th July 1967 joined Flintshire Constabulary 
WPC Collar number 52 and then became 1252, when WPC's become PC's.
Stationed at
Deeside 1970-72 
Hawarden 1974 -76 (circ)
Buckley 1975
Flint 1983 (circ) 
Holywell 1983 (circ)
Mold 1991 (front desk)
Mold 1996 (retired)
Prestatyn (Traffic Dept at some point)
Played on the Force Net Ball Team and was also a Fed Rep and was Narpo treasurer. 
Lived at 16 Cae Y Dderwen, Greenfield, Holywell. 
Died 23rd October 2016 aged 69. Assets £905,873. 
 

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On 12/05/2020 at 07:25, bigjarofwasps said:

Latest find, research to follow.....

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John W Pierson


From Holywell (possibly also served in Flintshire Constabulary, certainly would have been in Gwynedd Constabulary)
Lived in Prestatyn.
Nick name "The Kraut"
Love France was always going over there. Possibly married a German women? 
Collar number 933
Traffic Sgt in Prestayn at some point
Traffic Sgt Prestatyn 1960's and early 1970's
Sgt Rhyl (response) 1973
Sgt Prestatyn (response 17th July 1978).
Sgt Rhyl (response) 1980's
Went to live in France after he retired. 
Died in a nursing home in Rhyl (had dementia) was in his 90's.


Male officer- he was an odd character. Wouldn't go out on his own or deal with anything and got his hair off if we played snooker without him in refs!
So many funny tales of his misdoings! I can't remember them all. He had a girlfriend who was a nurse and he was a Francophile. He was always going over there.

Female officer - hauled me back from a Christmas Traffic Do once when I had had a couple of drinks lol as he wanted me to finish typing a DPP file. You know what they were like. It was still on the desk all done after Xmas. I was not amused. Having said all that he used to give me Christmas presents every year.

Male officer (re nick name) involved a ship that came into Mostyn Dock, mainly German crew, they wanted a person who could translate, i think John was summoned to help deal with it. All hearsay .
"Vot ist your name". 

Male officer - He was a station Sgt when I first moved to Prestatyn. When he was on day shift he would call you back from Prestatyn town centre beat so you could walk with him to his home just further on than the Ffrith Hotel where he was going for his refs. He said if we were stopped by a member of the public you would deal with it. When we arrived at his front door he would radio the station as say he was now on refs.

Female officer - Do you remember when he asked us where Gallt Melyd? How we all kept a straight face I don't know. It was when the town signs had Welsh names as well as the English ones.

Male officer -  I seem to remember John was a pretty hard task master!!

Male officer - JP was a bit of a laughing stock really and not much of a bobby at all. He supervised me for a few years and it was not enjoyable. Poor bloke did not have much idea. Having said that I believe he has dementia and is in a home on the Prom in Rhyl somewhere and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

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