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The Numbers of the Royal Victorian Order

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The nice group of the Honorary Member 5th Class of the Royal Victorian Order for the station master at Homburg v. d. H. Rudolph Stirn brought me again to the point, to speculate about the numbering of this order.

Because of the often personalized British decoration, it is possible to relate the numbering of this order in medal groups to a person and a awarding date. More difficult is the situation for Honorary Members, where we need more information by documents, as e. g. we have for Rudolph Stirn.

There already seems to exist lists, where collectors tried to relate these numbers to awarding dates. Unfortunately I was not able to get access to these lists.

Surprisingly it was possible in a relatively short time, to find a few personalized groups of Knights and Members of the Royal Victorian Order by searching the internet. I arranged these by the awarding date. In this way one get a frame work of some use for ranging a numbered order referring its fabrication period. Especially for groups of Honorary Members it can help to identify the owner by using other sources.

Numbers not fitting in the numerical order could be the result of returned and again issued insignia. On the other hand it is not certain, if the Orders Chancellery dispense the decorations always and in consequence by the numerical order of the insignia.

The emission dates of the insignia marked with No. 1 is taken from the book The Royal Victorian Order by Peter Galloway.

I would be glad, if someone could add the still existing lists or single data of other personalized groups of numbered Royal Victorian Orders.

 

Member versus Honorary Member

 

GCVO 01.05.1902 9 Wellington, 4th Duke of

GCVO 12.06.1947 339 Lascelles, Sir Allan

 

KCVO 00.07.1901 1 no personalization

KCVO 03.06.1931 243 Harwood, Ralph Endersby

KCVO 18.05.1965 952 Oeftering, Heinz Maria

KCVO 11.06.1977 1186 Cave, Richard Philipp

 

CVO 00.07.1901 1 no personalization

CVO 22.08.1902 C40 Hervey, Frederick Alfred John

CVO 14.06.1912 C540 Ninnis, Belgrave

CVO 24.10.1971 1765 Edmonds, John Christopher

CVO 01.01.1973 1851 Hill, Ronald John

 

MVO4 11.05.1896 without Hoskyns, Peyton

MVO4 00.08.1901 1 no personalization

MVO4 01.07.1904 229 Stanley, Victor Albert

MVO4 01.07.1904 308 Gilbert, Friedrich

MVO4 19.10.1910 789 Williams, Walter Kent

MVO4 24.07.1911 866 Waddington, Charles Willoughby

MVO4 12.12.1011 887 Bamber, Charles James

MVO4 12.12.1911 903 Creagh, Henry Dopping

MVO4 10.01.1912 876 Buist, Arthur Hunter

MVO4 21.5.1920 without Rhodes, Arthur Tahu Gravenor

MVO4 08.06.1939 536 Birdwood, Christopher Bromhaed

MVO4 01.01.1947 1526 Stone, Albert William

 

MVO5 28.05.1901 without Clarke, Edward Stanley

MVO5 00.10.1901 1 no personalization

MVO5 11.10.1901 5 Stirn, Rudolph Adam

MVO5 09.11.1902 without Brett, Maurice Vyner Balliol

MVO5 11.08.1903 44 Fitzhugh, Terrick Charles

MVO5 04.02.1912 375 Green, Benjamin Stevens

MVO5 22.06.1914 439 Sotheby, Herbert George

MVO5 11.05.1937 599 Evans, Alfred William

MVO5 02.06. 1973 723 Aubrey, Ronald Henry

MVO5 01.01.1969 1186 Hawkins, Charles Edward

MVO5 03.06.1978 1487 Schopmann, Edward Victor

 

Stirn, Rudolph Adam.JPG

Stirn, Rudolph Adam RVO 5 a.JPG

Stirn, Rudolph Adam RVO 5 r.JPG

Stirn, Rudolph Adam Etui.JPG

Stirn, Rudolph Adam Etui Firmenlogo.JPG

Stirn, Rudolph Adam Etui a.JPG

Stirn, Rudolph Adam Etui r.JPG

Stirn, Rudolph Adam Übersendungsschreiben.JPG

Stirn, Rudolph Adam Urkunde a.JPG

Stirn, Rudolph Adam Urkunde r.JPG

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I'm afraid the only information I can add is negative in nature.  Several decades ago, when I still collected medals, I was told that collectors would write the appropriate office in London - The Chancellery, I assume - asking about 'the [fill in order here] numbered XXX' and in due course someone would respond that the decoration /order had been awarded to '' [Mr/Mrs/Lord A___________'  in year 'ZZZZ'.   All very helpful.

Then, as the story goes, there a new chap took over as head of the office, and the next such request was met with "We don't divulge that information and, byt the way, that award should have been returned to us on the death of the recipient.  Please return it to us now!'  And that rather put a lid of further enquiries.  :(

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Alas the gentleman mentioned was a high priest of the shrine of Onan. The RVO is not returnable (the Chain, a seperate decoration, is).

There have always been those in corridors of power who have  considered an interest in phaleristics as a sin against the Holy Ghost. Interestingly when it suits them they are only too pleased to solicit our assistance. Enough like Toby Shandy I am riding my hobby horse.

Paul 

 

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Royal Victorian Order, GCVO (Honorary), serial 861 with sash badge, sash and star, in case of issue (Collingwood, Ltd), superb condition along with award letter from Sir Edward Ford, KCVO, CB dated 19 July, 1966 and form requesting biographic data from the recipient to be returned to the Registrar of the Royal Victorian Order. 

Following research notes thanks to James Hoard:

H.H. Prince Hussein bin Nasser Bey, GCVO (19.7.1966).b. at Taif, Arabia, 30th November 1902 (sixth son of H.H. Prince Nasser bin Ali Pasha, by his second wife, PerendisKhanum), educ. Istanbul Law Coll. Entered Iraq govt service, Private Sec to King Faisal I 1929-1935, attaché Iraqi legation at Ankara 1935-1938, Assist Chief of Protocol at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs 1938-1942, Assist Chief of the Royal Household 1944-1946, Consul-Gen. at Jerusalem and chargé d’Affaires at Amman 1946-1948, transf to Jordanian Foreign Service 1948, Envoy Ext & Minister Plenipotentiary to Turkey 1949-1950, Minister Paris 1950-1951, Jordanian Ambassador to Spain 1953-1961, Lord Chamberlain 1961-1963, 1964-1967, and 1967-1974, Minister of the Royal Court 1963-1964, Prime Minister 1963-1964 and 1967, Senator of the Kingdom of Jordan 1963-1964, 1969-1974. Granted the personal title of Prince (Amir) with the style of His Highness by King Abdullah I of Jordan. Rcvd: GC of the Orders of the Renaissance (special class), Independence, and Star of Jordan, Isabel the Catholic (12.12.1961) and Civil Merit (3.6.1955) of Spain, Christ of Portugal, Merit of the Republic of Italy (31.8.1963), George I of Greece, Defender of the Realm of Malaysia (SMN) (24.4.1965), Star of China, and the Cedars of Lebanon, the Orders of the Two Rivers 1st class of Iraq, Humayun 1st class of Iran, etc. m. at Amman, 1943, H.R.H. Princess Maqbula (b. at Mecca, 6th February 1921; d. at Amman, 1stJanuary 2001), third daughter of H.M. Abdullah I, King of Jordan, GCMG, GBE, by his second wife, H.H. Princess Suzdil. He d. at Amman, Jordan, 1st May 1982.

 

Some pictures:

UK 00 - GCVO - Set in box.JPG

UK 00 - GCVO - Badge.JPG

UK 00 - GCVO - Breast star obverse.JPG

UK 00 - GCVO - Garrard imprint.JPG

UK 00 - GCVO Documents.pdf

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Many thanks for this very interesting addition. It shows, that there was a notification of the serial number of the order on the Orders Chancellery papers.

As mentioned above, it therefore should be easy for the office staff, to correlate a numbered insignia to a person - if they condescend to do so ...

Kind regards, Komtur.

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Some additions followed. Unfortunately I can no more add them to the first post. Therefore here the new list:

 

GCVO 01.05.1902 9 Wellington, 4th Duke of

GCVO 22.08.1902 20 Laking, Francis Henry

GCVO 25.04.1908 272 Kühnel, Arnold August Blichert

GCVO 21.07.1909 293 Japan, Prince Kuni von

GCVO 24.06.1911 315 Moore, Arthur William

GCVO 04.02.1912 364 Charles, Richard Henry Havelock

GCVO 26.01.1912 361 Rundle, Henry Macleod Leslie

GCVO 23.06.1936 589 Murray, Malcolm

GCVO 12.06.1947 339 Lascelles, Allan

GCVO 02.01.1950 724 Macgeagh, Henry Davies Foster

GCVO 19.06.1966 861 Nasser, Sharif Hussein bin

GCVO 01.01.1976 952 Charteris of Amisfield, Martin Michael Charles

GCVO 13.06.1998 1113 Ford, Edward

 

KCVO 24.08.1900 ohne Stephen, Alexander Condie

KCVO 00.07.19011 keine namentliche Zuordnung

KCVO 23.07.1901 3 (cross) K3 (star) Bennett, William Henry

KCVO 11.08.1903 52 Fawkes, Wilmot Hawksworth

KCVO 15.06.1905 K102 Egerton, Alfred Mordaunt

KCVO 10.06.1908 K136 Orloff, Prince Vladimir

KCVO 09.11.1908 42 Gildea, James

KCVO 19.06.1911 260 Wodehouse, Edwin Frederick

KCVO 26.09.1913 K273 Robertson, William Robert (1931 Rückgabe nach Aufstieg zum GCVO)

KCVO 03.06.1918 K340 (cross) 340 (star) Worthington, Edward Scott

KCVO 29.07.1925 K464 FitzMaurice, Maurice Swynfen

KCVO 03.06.1931243 Harwood, Ralph Endersby

KCVO 26.09.1931 K526 Hendry, Alexander

KCVO 01.01.1932 K273 Baillie, Albert Victor (zurückgegebene Insignie von W. Robertson)

KCVO 01.01.1932 543 Levita, Cecil Bingham

KCVO 04.06.1934 558 Eliot, Montague Charles

KCVO 19.07.1935 K576 Boyd, Harry Robert

KCVO 11.05.1937 593 Still, George Frederic

KCVO 08.06.1939 K624 Ponsonby, George

KCVO 10.06.1948 K670 Kerr, Howard

KCVO 01.01.1949 K632 (cross) 632 (star) Colles, Ernest Dudley Gordon

KCVO 05.06.1952 701 Barrington-Ward, Victorr Michael

KCVO 20.10.1957 K819 Spender, Percy Claude

KCVO 02.06.1962 K815 Lloyd, Humphrey Clifford

KCVO 10.06.1961 K892 Smallpeice, Basil

KCVO 18.05.1965 952 Oeftering, Heinz Maria

KCVO 14.02.1966 960 Stow, John Montague

KCVO 12.06.1976 1165 Fleming, William Launcelot Scott

KCVO 11.06.1977 1186 Cave, Richard Philipp

 

CVO 00.07.1901 1 keine namentliche Zuordnung

CVO 11.10.1901 C10 Vanden-Bempde-Johnstone, Alan

CVO 22.08.1902 C40 Hervey, Frederick Alfred John

CVO 11.08.1903 C104 Maxwell, John Grenfell

CVO 10.02.1904 C41 Waller, Stanier

CVO 15.04.1907 C305 Hall, Francis Henry

CVO 10.06.1908 C384 Hamilton of Dalzell, 2nd Baron

CVO 24.06.1909 C483 Harrison, Charles Edward

CVO 29.06.1910 C460 Gilmour, Robert Gordon

CVO 14.06.1912 C540 Ninnis, Belgrave

CVO 25.06.1912 C530 Watson, James Kiero

CVO 07.07.1922 C761 Newport, Alexander Charles William

CVO 14.05.1923 C780 Down, Richard Thornton

CVO 03.06.1925 C740 Gore, St. John Corbet

CVO 16.10.1925 C564 Hope, Herbert Willes Webley

CVO 27.06.1927 C864 Hodgson, Patrick Kirkman

CVO 03.06.1927 C861 Lloyd, Wilford Neville

CVO 06.07.1927 C85 Ingram, Alexander Gordon

CVO 03.06.1931 C484 Russell, Reginald Edmund Maghlin

CVO 02.01.1933 C846 Chitty, Walter Willis

CVO 04.06.1934 C921 Share, Hamnet Holdtich

CVO 11.05.1937 C974 Gibbs, Lancelot Merivale

CVO 01.01.1944 C1065 Bowden, John

CVO 08.06.1950 1129 Howe, Ronald Martin

CVO 01.01.1952 1145 Jones, Oscar Philip

CVO 01.01.1954 C826 Bingley, Robert Albert Glanville

CVO 16.02.1956 1254 McLaughlan, Roy James Philip

CVO 24.10.1971 1765 Edmonds, John Christopher

CVO 01.01.1973 1851 Hill, Ronald John

CVO 15.06.1974 1888 Treby, Leslie Alfred John

CVO 15.06.1996 2487 Parsons, Kenneth William

 

MVO4 11.05.1896 ohne Hoskyns, Peyton

MVO4 00.08.1901 1 keine namentliche Zuordnung

MVO4 24.12.1901 34 Childs-Clarke, Charles

MVO4 22.08.1902 88 Wyatt, Thomas Henry

MVO4 09.11.1902 104 Harbord, Charles

MVO4 21.04.1903 112 Warren, Herbert Augustus

MVO4 09.10.1903 188 Mundy, Godfrey Harry Brydges

MVO4 05.05.1904 238 Burr, John Leslie

MVO4 01.07.1904 229 Stanley, Victor Albert

MVO4 01.07.1904 308 Gilbert, Friedrich

MVO4 12.08.1904 247 Pasley, Thomas Hamilton Sabine

MVO4 13.07.1905 351 Walsh, George Harry William

MVO4 11.09.1905 21 Tully, Thomas

MVO4 11.03.1906 430 White, Herbert Southey Neville

MVO4 15.03.1906 467 Hume, Charles Vernon

MVO4 05.06.1906 463 Bird, Stanley
MVO4
25.04.1908 227 Vaughan, John Charles Tudor

MVO4 05.04.1909 701 Cameron, John Ewen
MVO4 29.04.1909 698 Williamson, Adolphus Huddlestone

MVO4 19.10.1910 789 Williams, Walter Kent

MVO4 07.01.1911 806 Grant, Robert Sidney Francis

MVO4 12.04.1911 809 Beasley, Francis Adams

MVO4 24.07.1911 866 Waddington, Charles Willoughby

MVO4 17.10.1911 90 Way, Bromley George Vere

MVO4 12.12.1011 887 Bamber, Charles James

MVO4 12.12.1911 903 Creagh, Henry Dopping

MVO4 04.01.1912 877 Fraser, Hugh Joseph

MVO4 10.01.1912 876 Buist, Arthur Hunter

MVO4 04.02.1912 824 Goodenough, William

MVO4 14.06.1912 912 Cuthbertson, Edward Boustead

MVO4 24.04.1914 914 Hodge, Michael Henry

MVO4 22.06.1914 921 Terry, Robert Joseph Atkinson

MVO4 09.07.1915 82 Faviell, Douglas

MVO4 01.11.1915 933 Williamsm, Thomas Christopher Harry

MVO4 15.08.1916 931 Sheppard, Eustace Graham

MVO4 15.08.1916 959 James, Alfred Henry Cotes

MVO4 14.07.1917 1019 Thresher, James Henville

MVO4 02.08.1919 1066 Reyne, Gerard van Rossum

MVO4 21.05.1920 ohne Rhodes, Arthur Tahu Gravenor

MVO4 27.02.1921 595 Poynder, Frederick Sinclair

MVO4 03.06.1922 1137 Nimmo, Frank Hutton

MVO4 07.07.1922 1134 Corson, Eric Reid

MVO4 03.06.1924 1058 Miles, George Edward

MVO4 01.01.1925 1052 Bowes-Lyon, Ronald George

MVO4 10.08.1925 1211 Commander Kenneth Michell

MVO4 27.06.1927 1275 Moore, Norman Cameron

MVO4 07.08.1927 1218 Griffiths, George

MVO4 23.08.1930 1304 Bardwell, William Scott

MVO4 01.01.1931 1313 Fellowes, Edmund Horace
MVO4 10.08.1931 1305 Denison, Edward Conyngham

MVO4 08.08.1932 1307 Woodhall, Eric Langton

MVO4 21.11.1934 1330 Quill, Raymond Humphery

MVO4 23.07.1937 1389 Onslow, Richard Francis John

MVO4 08.06.1939 536 Birdwood, Christopher Bromhaed

MVO4 24.06.1943 1419 Gault, James Frederick

MVO4 01.01.1945 1450 Stainton, Lewis

MVO4 01.01.1947 1526 Stone, Albert William

MVO4 01.01.1952 1557 Ratcliffe, Egbert Edwin

MVO4 31.12.1983 2845 Gost, Leonard John

 

MVO5 28.05.1901 ohne Clarke, Edward Stanley

MVO5 00.10.1901 1 keine namentliche Zuordnung

MVO5 11.10.1901 5 Stirn, Rudolph Adam

MVO5 09.11.1902 ohne Brett, Maurice Vyner Balliol

MVO5 11.08.1903 44 Fitzhugh, Terrick Charles

MVO5 12.12.1911 428 Jones, Frederick Theodore

MVO5 04.02.1912 375 Green, Benjamin Stevens

MVO5 22.06.1914 439 Sotheby, Herbert George

MVO5 11.10.1920 522 Newmarch, Henry Clarence

MVO5 07.07.1922 529 Fairfield, Samuel

MVO5 07.07.1922 530 Enright, Daniel Patrick Joseph

MVO5 05.08.1922 578 Gordon, David Russell

MVO5 02.06.1923 542 Joist, Henry John Thomas

MVO5 03.06.1931 571 Crouch, Walter George Collingwood

MVO5 03.06.1932 586 Harwood, Captain Robert

MVO5 29.07.1932 589 Barrett, Henry Gulliver

MVO5 11.05.1937 599 Evans, Alfred William

MVO5 30.10.1945 695 Skipworth, Alber

MVO5 01.01.1946 700 Wakeham, Frank

MVO5 10.06.1948 744 Dadd, Frederick James

MVO5 16.07.1956 646 Taylor, Geoffrey Lyndon

MVO5 28.10.1958 732 Rathje, Otto

MVO5 02.06. 1973 723 Aubrey, Ronald Henry

MVO5 01.01.1969 1186 Hawkins, Charles Edward
MVO5 03.06.1978 1487 Schopmann, Edward Victor

 

Dames of RVO

GCVO 16.06.1990 L.43 Smith, Patricia

CVO 11.05.1937 C1 L Colville, Helen Cynthia
CVO 11.05.1937 C2 L Graham, Helen Violet

CVO 11.05.1937 C4L Watson, Edith Margaret

CVO 30.04.1974 L.82 Armfelt, Wava Kitty

 

MVO4 11.05.1937 2L Howland, Cicely

MVO4 11.05.1937 4L Davies, Rosina

MVO4 01.01.1966 42L Minto, Sheila Allison

MVO4 25.06.1990 L107 Bjarnadottir, Vigdis

 

MVO5 01.01.1967 L103 de Rohan, Dolores Malita

MVO5 03.06.1978 L93 Hill, Sonia

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