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Wonderful find Claudio!  You undoubtedly are pleased, proud and very happy!

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15 hours ago, ixhs said:

I have still problems with the quality of the devices. But if you like it - why not.

I don't have any problems with that... considering that the ribbons are 8mm wide (!!!) and the devices extremely small (8mm), it's impossible that they are as accurate as normal and bigger devices put on 15 mm wide ribbons. Of course if you enlarge the very detailed picture I took, it looks as if the devices are crudely made, but taking into account that they are so small, you can't pretend that the level of detail is similar or better than on bigger devices. Furthermore the devices from the 7th to 12th and 14th ribbons are very likely custom made, because they are very rare to be found. The swords devices are WWII (war) time types as this bar was put together after 1940 as the Duke got his KVK2X.

In my collection (I'm collecting since 40 years) I have different types of swords devices... they can vary from very detailled and high quality pre WWI silver devices to more crudely made WWII types.

The most important thing is that I'm happy with this ribbon and that I'm going to keep it anyway.

Best regards,

C

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I hate to write things that might be unpopular, especially since I'm new in the forum.  But I have to agree here with IXSH. Those not very high quality, flashy mini devices and the bar itself look like something Charlie Snyder (God rest his soul) would have put together in his basement in Ohio.  I actually like the back of the bar better than the front.

If this was really the famous Nazi-duke's bar, don't you think other savvy collectors (like the people commenting in this thread) would have recognized its importance?  Bidders would not have allowed it to sell for what amounts to chicken feed.  

Since device #14 was brought up, I would like to comment.  This award is known as the grand cross of the Hungarian merit order.  I have first hand knowledge that Hungarians loved these mini devices and produced them in large numbers.  Each time a merit order or a holy crown order was awarded, especially to a foreigner, the awardee would get a beautiful mini device for his ribbon bar.  There was no reason to custom fabricate a mini device.  They were readily available through Hungarian military purveyors.  Besides, the Hungarian mini on this bar looks awkward, crude and just plain ugly.  Just my two cents.  Simi.

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Well, believe it or not, I actually have one of these in my collection on a trifold ribbon.  I'll measure it on Saturday after I find it and I'll post the measurements.  It may interest you to know that I have seen these Hungarian grand cross devices on some fairly slender German ribbon bars.  The rays (or sunbursts) on the top and the bottom were trimmed off so that they did not protrude past the ribbons.  

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Simius Rex, I have one bar with mini breast star devices and I’m pretty sure it’s authentic. However, they don’t seem to be the quality you show on the trifold ribbon. I’m no expert on these mini devices and this is my only bar with these higher orders.

Ill look for better pics

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Hey CCJ... I don't know what you mean about looking for better pictures, but I think you are seriously underrating your devices.  They are clearly custom made and they are absolutely beautiful.  Holy smokes.  Did you raid a museum to get this thing?

The Hungarian device above is mass produced.  The Royal Hungarian Penzverde had cutting-dies and templates and jigs etc. etc.  So you can't really compare it to your custom made devices. 

Well, I'm still looking for my Hungarian Grand Cross mini.  I open a storage box with things from my collection and instead of staying focussed on finding the mini, I have to look at every damn thing in the box and take a trip down memory lane.  Most of this stuff I had forgotten that I had!  Simi. 

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On 05/12/2019 at 11:34, Claudio said:

 

On 05/12/2019 at 11:34, Claudio said:

 

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Here is the GFM Milch's ribbon bar to compare, especially the enemaled white eagle device on the Olympia-Ehrenzeichen ribbon... mind you that the ribbons on Duke Carl Eduard's are smaller than the ones on GFM's Milch ribbon bar.

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I think you have a point there.  The Olympia eagle is identical to Milch's Olympia eagle.  Actually I think your eagle is in better shape because Milch's eagle's beak is chipped off. 

You know... I think sometimes when too much lighting is used to photograph these old items, it might make them look a little too "new" and a little bit "cheap".  That could be what happened here with your pics of the bar.  Simi    

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3 hours ago, Simius Rex said:

I think you have a point there.  The Olympia eagle is identical to Milch's Olympia eagle.  Actually I think your eagle is in better shape because Milch's eagle's beak is chipped off. 

You know... I think sometimes when too much lighting is used to photograph these old items, it might make them look a little too "new" and a little bit "cheap".  That could be what happened here with your pics of the bar.  Simi    

Comparison.jpg

Thank you Simi, for the better comparing pictures and your comment... ;)

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For better comprehension about the dimensions of the ribbon bar presented here above, I shot a photograph of it close to a two row ribbon bar with 10mm ribbons and devices...

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