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54 minutes ago, Paul C said:

An ID would be difficult as it is unknown  for which campaign the if the KO4X was awarded for.

Paul, 

I am certainly happy who the owner of the bar with the Austro-Hungarian awards was.😉 By the way, it is a KO3X.

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Glenn

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That general looks somewhat familiar.  The medal bar he is wearing looks to be identical to the second bar on page 1.  It's pretty special and very rare that a collector has a picture of his medal bar being worn by the original owner !!  But are you saying that this bar sold for $8,000 ??  Crikey !! I have a feeling that the notoriety of the man in the picture had something to do with this jaw dropping hammer price.  Sorry, but I can recognize most Luftwaffe generals but not generals from the Kaiserreich era, so I really have no clue who this is. Simi.

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1 hour ago, VtwinVince said:

It's von Trotha, a man whom my grandmother knew later in life.

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IMHO that went too expensive, especially the other minor bar with only Prussian or Reichsorden... in total the market value of the medals were not even half the final bid price worth. Well at least I was the second highest bidder and the price increased at least Eur 1’500  due to my bidding fight. I’m sure that after € 6’500 there were only two bidders really interested to have it.

Do not forget that if the bidder got both bars in total with the commission fees and taxes had to spend more around Eur 14,500... way too much. for bars who nobody will see them because in a private stored away in collection and not exhibited in a museum or in at least shown and shared with other history buffs, passionate student of phaleristics or simply in the collecting world.

 

 

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4 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

It's von Trotha, a man whom my grandmother knew later in life.

Holy mackerel !! Now that's a big name whose medal bar can obviously fetch big money!!  Believe it or not, I actually remember my history teacher mentioning Trotha a few times during one of his lectures about European colonialism.  He called Trotha the "Heydrich of Southwest Africa" but back then, I was young and clueless and had no idea who Heydrich was.  They can talk all they want to about Trotha but I guarantee you, the English, Belgians and French all had their fair share of atrocities in their colonies. Simi.    

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Agreed, Simi. I think the Belgians and English in particular have a lot to answer for, and of course the French record isn't so stellar either. I laugh when I hear about the 'barbarous' Germans in Africa. How is it that they had the most loyal and effective Colonial army on the continent, when they so badly mistreated the locals? I am of course referring to the Askaris. But in this day and age of 'Wiedergutmachung' the present Germans hold international forums to discuss new ways in which they can self-flagellate for the sins of their forefathers (reference the Hereros and Hottentots). I haven't seen the same introspection on the part of the English, for instance, and their hundred-year occupation of India. Anyway, my mother has some nice photos of von Trotha from the 1930's in colonial regalia. And I agree with Claudio and his appraisal of these items, they should be in a museum. I have a historically very significant medal bar which I think should be in a museum, but try getting one to pay market value!

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Everything you said makes perfect sense, Vince.  Those pics your mother has of Trotha in the 30's sound really fascinating.  Maybe you could share some of them with us one day.  I did a search on the net, and it seems that Trotha has also been the victim of what you called the "Age Of Wiedergutmachung".  I have to seriously wonder how many museums in Germany would be willing to put Trotha's medal bar on display in this kind of political climate.  It reminds me of what they are doing with the monuments dedicated to our Confederate soldiers. Simi.

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13 hours ago, Simius Rex said:

Trotha has also been the victim of what you called the "Age Of Wiedergutmachung".

He's hardly a victim, he is someone who is unworthy of a streetname. New times bring new insights, which is exactly why they are changing it.

 

13 hours ago, Simius Rex said:

I have to seriously wonder how many museums in Germany would be willing to put Trotha's medal bar on display in this kind of political climate.

Every museum would be willing to, for the same reason every historical museum is willing to put up SS stuff, controversy sells.

 

On 03/05/2020 at 18:18, VtwinVince said:

How is it that they had the most loyal and effective Colonial army on the continent

They had the best army in Africa because they paid the best. The BRD payed out pensions well into the '60s

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Right, and this is why they still speak German in Windhoek. And of course the communist idiots in charge these days will not be stopped in their 'inclusiveness' agenda. Here on Vancouver Island we have a mayor who unilaterally, without public consultation, had a bronze statue of Sir John A. MacDonald removed from its pedestal because, in this current climate, we cannot abide having a statue of a 'racist alcoholic' on public display. So why do we tolerate rich, sleazy psychopaths leading governments today? Because populations have been dummed down and brainwashed by the elites to put up with their agenda, which includes the mindless rewriting and destruction of history to suit a narrative. But of course there are countless schools, streets etc. around here named after genuine war criminals, such as Churchill, Kitchener etc. Can you spell hypocrisy? Apparently the city of Berlin is in the process of stripping the Ehrenburgerschaft from dozens of historical notables, including Field Marshal von Hindenburg. Thank God!

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