Ian Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Hi, I have been collecting photos of Johanniterorden for a short while and recently secured the attached photo. I thought I new who it might be, but I was wrong. Can someone put a name to my Johanniterorden Rechtsritter please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Hi Ian, hope all is well with you. Oberst Friedrich von Kettler, ARKO 238. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 Hi Glenn, All good 'down under' as I hope it is with you. Many thanks for identifying my Oberst. Regards, Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAB Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 This might be a ignorant question but how is it that you can identify someone so quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JapanX said: Well spotted - but, in fairness, Glenn was even quicker the first time. So how did he do it, then??? Edited May 25, 2020 by Trooper_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 By unique combination of awards of course. Many years' experience in cross-analysis of rank lists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAB Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 5 hours ago, JapanX said: By unique combination of awards of course. Many years' experience in cross-analysis of rank lists This again might sound stupid but this explanation sounds to simple.... so who ever figured it out has all the names just in his/her head? So what do those many years do? Do people have data bases with names that correlate to awards, ranks, units? I was probably asking an ignorant question but I really am interested in a real answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) Glenn can answer for himself but I think that JapanX has put his finger on the answer. If you are fairly new to all this, you might not be aware that, during the period we are talking about, each of the states making up 'Germany' compiled lists of their officers, broken down into units, with one of the pieces of data shown against each name being their awards. These are the rank lists. There are people round here who know their way round these rank lists backwards and can very quickly search for any given combination of awards to narrow down a particular combination to a name or groups of names. I should add that, if you recognise the unit from the uniform the subject is wearing, it means that you can go straight to the rank list for that unit, which in turn cuts down the time required to search. That is not to say, of course, that Glenn doesn't have a photographic memory and never forgets a face Edited May 26, 2020 by Trooper_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Hi guys, a combination of experience, knowledge of uniforms and awards.plus countless hours compiling spreadsheets with awards. And sometimes a bit of luck! Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 On 22/05/2020 at 09:10, Ian said: Hi, I have been collecting photos of Johanniterorden for a short while and recently secured the attached photo. I thought I new who it might be, but I was wrong. Can someone put a name to my Johanniterorden Rechtsritter please. So howis he rechtsritter and not an ehrenritter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Hi David, note the crown surmounting the Johanniter Order below his Crown Order Commander's cross with swords. The Ehrenritter just wore a cross without the crown. Regards GLenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Ah I see, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAB Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Thank you guys... I've always wondered how people find so quick who is who based on a few awards or uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyboy Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Hi all, Did you need to have the Ehrenritter before becoming eligible for the Rechtsritter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdC26 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) Not checked, but perhaps this helps: http://antique-photos.com/en/component/content/article/148-awardsdatabase-en/germanempireawards-en/prussia-en/302-cross-of-the-royal-prussian-order-of-st-john-122.html Edited June 10, 2020 by GdC26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyboy Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) Hi GdC26, Yes thanks - it mentions 4 years service as Enhrenritter before being entitled to become a Rechtsritter. If Ian doesn't mind my hijacking his thread, I am going to post a rather grainy photo of an aviator who is wearing the Johanniter orden. Unfortunately I don't know his name, but as it's an uncommon award I am hoping that he can be identified. The man is probably from FFA 19. Edited June 10, 2020 by Mattyboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 Mattyboy, You are not hijacking my thread, after all this is about sharing knowledge and us all learning something new...go for it the more the merrier. Cheers, Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyboy Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) Hi Ian, Thanks a lot, it's appreciated. Just to add to my earlier post, below are the only recipients that I'm aware of:- Ascheberg, Percy Baron von (circa 1924-27) Beroldingen, Egon Graf von (circa 1915-1918) Blomberg, Karl-August von Boenigk, Oskar Freiherr von (circa 1933-34) Brandt gen. Flender, Fritz von (on 16th July 1915) Kettler, Maximilian Frhr von (circa 1920-27) Edited June 13, 2020 by Mattyboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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