Jump to content

Romania, Order of Michael the Brace, type 1, 3rd Class


Recommended Posts

Hi the GMIC community, 

I recently bought an order of Michael the Brave, type 1, 3rd Class in silver and would be very very grateful if you could share your opinion.

1) Do you think it is an authentic order or it is a fake?

2) Do you have any clues whether in terms of the manufacturer or at least the country it was produced in?

 

mihai_1.thumb.jpg.652a17a736a348fcd5578eb1000131fa.jpgmihai_2.thumb.jpg.b8ec82364f87ae2daab60d9b9b3dca54.jpg

 

Also posting the fixing, which is quite different from the models I find on the internet:

mihai_3.thumb.jpg.ee8452d50dc2dd0cae009e25dd79098f.jpg

 

 

Edited by LuckySlevin
Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Igor, thanks a lot for your reply, yes actually it is from spink. 
I also thought it is not of Romanian production as those are generally not made from silver. French ones are generally made of silver but the designs I found online were different to this one. 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 12/08/2020 at 18:38, LuckySlevin said:

Hi the GMIC community, 

I recently bought an order of Michael the Brave, type 1, 3rd Class in silver and would be very very grateful if you could share your opinion.

1) Do you think it is an authentic order or it is a fake?

2) Do you have any clues whether in terms of the manufacturer or at least the country it was produced in?

Are there any silver or jeweler hallmarks on the badge or the suspension ring?

The suspension crown is very much like the crowns used for the 1941 model of the order and quite different from the majority of WWI-badges which had more detailed/detached arms. Also, the enamel seem quite rough in comparison to other 1916 model badges.

Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, Carol I said:

Are there any silver or jeweler hallmarks on the badge or the suspension ring?

The suspension crown is very much like the crowns used for the 1941 model of the order and quite different from the majority of WWI-badges which had more detailed/detached arms. Also, the enamel seem quite rough in comparison to other 1916 model badges.

Unfortunately there is no hallmark. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I did some research on the web and will be very happy to know you opinion about the below:

In terms of the crowns, I found a very interesting discussion on the ak-group.ru forum about different crowns found on the 1st type.

crowns.thumb.JPG.5de18ce1f12e20adcbc9ace0208917f1.JPG

 

k6.jpg.7a7cab09725710847d7c61231fc1c99d.jpg

 

I found an order but of second type which has exactly my type of crown and even all the manufacturing style is the same on emedals:

https://www.emedals.com/europe/romania-kingdom/orders/order-of-michael-the-brave/a-romanian-order-of-michael-the-brave-knight-s-cross-with-case

emedals_order.thumb.JPG.616d9537f5adacba660032ccac8ca68e.JPG

 

However the reverse of the order does not look correct:

Capture2.thumb.JPG.d803120be2863e89c5368b02c5517bde.JPG

So not sure, may be they were doing some fakes as this one does not have the right reverse.

I also found 2 orders with same design of crown and suspension on galerie numismatique:

3rd class:

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11040790_124-order-michael-the-brave-1916


Capture5.thumb.JPG.6605d5da52e81e8b3e55f8ed91c6a2d1.JPG

2nd class:

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11040789_123-order-michael-the-brave-1916

 

Capture4.thumb.JPG.01f2ba955b7d5d316f76d496af79d5fb.JPG

 

Finally just wanted to post 2 orders of 1st and 2nd model with same crowns:

here is an order from 2nd type on emedals:

https://www.emedals.com/europe/romania-kingdom/orders/order-of-michael-the-brave/a-romanian-order-of-michael-the-brave-1941-1944-3d-class

Below it is its crown and also 1 crown from 1st model:

his:

Capture10.JPG.564d737a7bc5a1267c1c97783c9a34a1.JPG

 

crown from 1st model:

k6.jpg.f9069bce58efbd41b3d63826e1ca8ab6.jpg

 

I also found an order with very big crown and suspension:

Capture11.JPG.a376363ebb2d636f25728126e9bdc03f.JPG

The crown is different but it has also this suspended style.

 

What do you think of all of this and do you think that the order I found on galerie numismatique of same design is a fake or not given that I saw on this forum that galerie numismatique does not have a very clear reputation.

Also do you think that my remark about having same type of crown on both models is plausible. 

 

Thank you!

Link to post
Share on other sites

Variations could be expected between pieces from different manufacurers. At the same time, being a rare order, fakes cannot be excluded. And to my knowledge there is no systematic study of manufacturers of this order to help in identifying authentic pieces. I find however the use of a type II crown with a type I cross rather suspicious, especially when this matching appears with other poor details like the use of a long suspension neck or narrow ribbons.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Blog Comments

    • Lapsang Souchong, when i first tasted this I thought it was like stale cigarette ends...it's an acquired taste for sure.  
    • I like my tea strong enough for my spoon to stand up in. My father got me into it. When my father was at RAF Dum Dum 1943-47 most of his fellow officers drank ice cold drinks to mitigate  the heat, his Sikh batman warned him against it and said that strong hot tea would cool him down, most certainly did. So years later in the UK when everybody else was drinking iced drinks on a baking day the wood family was inbibing copious quantities of hot strong brews of Assam's finest. P
    • Hi ccj, Thanks for your comments. Funny how, for me at least, coffee has become a habit more than a conscience choice. It's the old, "Well if you having one (coffee) pour me as well". When I get together with my son-in-law, a former Brit, it's tea all the way. Thanks again. Regards Brian  
    • I live and grew up in the south (USA) and the drink of choice 7 days a week was cold sweet tea. I was unaware Lipton was British because that’s what most southern use for brewing tea. When I joined the army I learned most people in the north and western parts of the USA drank unsweetened tea and that was perplexing to my young brain. Now days I can’t stand sweet iced tea but it’s still the most common drink in the south, but, you can get unsweetened ice tea in the south. Im familiar with ho
    • I drink tea every day (Chinese tea), I used to buy Sri Lankan black tea at the fair before, it was great! I have been reluctant to drink them all. . The tea I’m talking about is just brewing water, not adding other substancesI
×
×
  • Create New...