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Gentlemen,

How prevalent was this style of beading on Imperial crosses 1870 & 1914 ? Best illustrated by Wernitz (T8) on an 1813 EKII it is said to have simplified the production process quite significantly. Personally, I don't find it half as attractive as the more conventional sharp-angled corners but am curious to know how widespread the practice may have been. Have any particular makers been identified as having adopted this practice ? There is a wealth of knowledge represented on this forum so what's your own experience/take on this guys ? Thanks in advance for your views.   

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Hi Peter,

 

300 views for 7 months is not a lot. Perhaps no one from the Forum has thought about that

 

If you have any ideas to develop this topic you can do it and then you can bring more interest from the Memebers

 

I hope you will get responses soon Cheers

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Hi Graf,

 

Thanks for your encouraging remarks. In my ignorance, I had assumed that this detail may have been previously discussed or explained somewhere in the literature but it seems not.

 

It is difficult to distinguish with complete certainty those crosses that carry this form of beading as the differences are often subtle and not always that obvious - leastways not to my untrained eyes. But from a trawl of previously published images, it would seem that the practice was most prevalent on 1914 EK1s and across a number of different makers. I detect no common factor emerging from this but from my admittedly limited analysis MEYBAUER crosses seem to display the characteristic rounded corners to their beading more often than other makers.

 

I would be interested to learn from other collectors: What is the earliest recorded example of this practice ? and What is the best/worst example of these distinctive rounded corners ? 

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Hi Peter,

 

You might  be right that this topic might have not been touched in the past.

I like you, like the sharp internal corners of the crosses frames

Only thing I am aware of  the fact that there is a Variant of 1939 EK2 with round internal edges of the frames Usually those crosses were unmarked

 

Here are my two MEYBAUER 1914 EK1  - the corners are not rounded

I hope some of the members who had more research into Iron crosses can contribute to the topic

 

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I have some reservation about this EK1 No comments at this stage i will leave to more experienced members

In general some of the items on this site , in my opinion, are questionable

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The intricacies of construction of early 1813 EKIIs made them extremely labour intensive pieces and would have made any bulk manufacture difficult to achieve. According to WERNITZ (p151) early production pieces comprised no less than 39 separate components (AII/1) although I'm at a loss to arrive at more than 29 myself. Can anybody help me understand where I'm going wrong here ?

The RUNNECKE workshop soon introduced simplified production processes so that a 20-piece form emerged (AII/4) with the characteristic curved rather than angled inner beading that prompted my original question to this thread. This, in turn, made way for even more streamlined manufacturing processes resulting in a 5-piece construction that became the norm and that now most familiar to collectors. So, if they had achieved this for production of period 1813 crosses why then revert to curved rather than angled inner beading on crosses of a later generation ? And should we treat all such crosses as being somehow dubious rather than simply interesting ?  

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