Deutschritter Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) Julius Buckler received the Goldenes Militär-Verdienst-Kreuz (November 1917) and three weeks later, now Leutnant (der Reserve???), the Pour le Mérite. Did he also get the Hohenzollern Hausorden? It is said, he had the Krieger-Ehrenzeichen in Eisen (his city of birth Mainz was then a part of Hessen), so maybe also the Hessische Tapferkeitsmedaille, which was supposedly mandatory? Any WW II decorations? Thanks! Edited July 30, 2021 by Deutschritter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deutschritter Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) Edited July 30, 2021 by Deutschritter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 The first picture shows Albert Dossenbach not Buckler. KR Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deutschritter Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) Thank you very much! Even Getty gets it wrong sometimes! That's why the Mecklenburger Verdienstkreuz didn't make sense! Edited July 30, 2021 by Deutschritter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackcowboyBS Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) interesting! How many soldiiers recieved both the PlM and the golden MMC? Is Julius Buckler the only one and how was the rule about wearing these two together? Was he allowed to wear the gmmc only on the small Feldspange or could he also had worn it on the great Feldschnalle and the PlM around the neck? Edited August 7, 2021 by BlackcowboyBS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Six. And for sure they could wear both together. Best, Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Or how about awards to aviators of the Member's Cross of the HOH, or the KO4mS? Now you're talking rare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 According to research by Neal O'Conner. The number of the PLM and GMMC could not be very much if you consider how late in the war the Prussian chose to start awarding GMMC. The 1st award of the GMMC was not made until October 15 1916, and the 2nd on June 14 1917 with 53 awards being made in 1917. The flood gate opened in 1918 with 1,1715 crosses being award until the last award on November 8 1918. Considering that fact you would have had to be an NCO and promoted to officer in 1918. That would certainly lessen the opportunity. Neal O'Conner does list 5 aviation officers who won both the PLM and GMMC. Paul Baumer Julius Buckler Otto Jonnecke Fritz Rumey Karl Thom Regards, Chuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deutschritter Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) Maybe also interesting: six soldiers (as far as I know) received the GMMC in WW I and the Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes in WW II: Wilhelm Hemmer, Richard Kotz, Hermann-Bernhard Ramcke, Fritz Stürtz (RdEK posthum), Gustav Wagner, and Franz-Josef Welzel. Anymore names? I would love to know. I also read, that many/all NCOs with the GMMC were promoted to Leutnant der Landwehr on Tannenbergtag in August 1939?! Edited August 7, 2021 by Deutschritter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deutschritter Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, chuck said: According to research by Neal O'Conner. The number of the PLM and GMMC could not be very much if you consider how late in the war the Prussian chose to start awarding GMMC. The 1st award of the GMMC was not made until October 15 1916, and the 2nd on June 14 1917 with 53 awards being made in 1917. The flood gate opened in 1918 with 1,1715 crosses being award until the last award on November 8 1918. Considering that fact you would have had to be an NCO and promoted to officer in 1918. That would certainly lessen the opportunity. Neal O'Conner does list 5 aviation officers who won both the PLM and GMMC. Paul Baumer Julius Buckler Otto Jonnecke Fritz Rumey Karl Thom Regards, Chuck Chuck, thanks for the information on Paul Bäumer, Julius Buckler, Otto Könnecke, Fritz Rumey und Karl Thom ... do you have more decortions for Thom? Maybe promotion dates? Was he reactivated in WW II? Thanks! Edited August 7, 2021 by Deutschritter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 49 minutes ago, Deutschritter said: Chuck, thanks for the information on Paul Bäumer, Julius Buckler, Otto Könnecke, Fritz Rumey und Karl Thom ... do you have more decortions for Thom? Maybe promotion dates? Was he reactivated in WW II? Thanks! Fortunately, Their is a biography of Karl Thom that covers some award and promotion dates. Order of the Pour Le Merite ; November 1 1918 Royal Hohenzollern House Order, Member's Cross with Swords ; August 7 1918 Golden Military Merit Cross ; October 11 1917 Iron Cross 1st, for escape from captivity after a forced landing du to mechanical issues (sometime between OCT1916-APR1917) Iron Cross 2nd Class, after being wound in November 1914 Pilot's Badge, Army assigned fliegertruppe in June 1915 Wound Badge in Silver ; date ?? Unteroffizier, Promoted after being wounded in November 1914 Vizefeldwebel, Promoted July 24 1916 Leutnant, Promoted August 29 1918 Regards, Chuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deutschritter Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 Thanks so much, Chuck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackcowboyBS Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 On 07/08/2021 at 21:28, Deutschritter said: I also read, that many/all NCOs with the GMMC were promoted to Leutnant der Landwehr on Tannenbergtag in August 1939?! That's what I have also read, so I guess its true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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