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Julius Buckler received the Goldenes Militär-Verdienst-Kreuz (November 1917) and three weeks later, now Leutnant (der Reserve???), the Pour le Mérite. Did he also get the Hohenzollern Hausorden? It is said, he had the Krieger-Ehrenzeichen in Eisen (his city of birth Mainz was then a part of Hessen), so maybe also the Hessische Tapferkeitsmedaille, which was supposedly mandatory? Any WW II decorations? Thanks!

 

 

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interesting! How many soldiiers recieved both the PlM and the golden MMC? Is Julius Buckler the only one and how was the rule about wearing these two together? Was he allowed to wear the gmmc only on the small Feldspange or could he also had worn it on the great Feldschnalle and the PlM around the neck? 

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According to research by Neal O'Conner. The number of the PLM and GMMC could not be very much if you consider how late in the war the Prussian chose to start awarding GMMC. The 1st award of the GMMC was not made until October 15 1916, and the 2nd on June 14 1917 with 53 awards being made in  1917. The flood gate opened in 1918 with 1,1715 crosses being award until the last award on November 8 1918. Considering that fact you would have had to be an NCO and promoted to officer in 1918. That would certainly lessen the opportunity.

 

Neal O'Conner does list 5 aviation officers who won both the PLM and GMMC.

Paul Baumer

Julius Buckler

Otto Jonnecke

Fritz Rumey

Karl Thom

 

Regards, 

Chuck

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Maybe also interesting: six soldiers (as far as I know) received the GMMC in WW I and the Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes in WW II: Wilhelm Hemmer, Richard Kotz, Hermann-Bernhard Ramcke, Fritz Stürtz (RdEK posthum), Gustav Wagner, and Franz-Josef Welzel. Anymore names? I would love to know. I also read, that many/all NCOs with the GMMC were promoted to Leutnant der Landwehr on Tannenbergtag in August 1939?!

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32 minutes ago, chuck said:

According to research by Neal O'Conner. The number of the PLM and GMMC could not be very much if you consider how late in the war the Prussian chose to start awarding GMMC. The 1st award of the GMMC was not made until October 15 1916, and the 2nd on June 14 1917 with 53 awards being made in  1917. The flood gate opened in 1918 with 1,1715 crosses being award until the last award on November 8 1918. Considering that fact you would have had to be an NCO and promoted to officer in 1918. That would certainly lessen the opportunity.

 

Neal O'Conner does list 5 aviation officers who won both the PLM and GMMC.

Paul Baumer

Julius Buckler

Otto Jonnecke

Fritz Rumey

Karl Thom

 

Regards, 

Chuck

Chuck, thanks for the information on Paul Bäumer, Julius Buckler, Otto Könnecke, Fritz Rumey und Karl Thom ... do you have more decortions for Thom? Maybe promotion dates? Was he reactivated in WW II? Thanks!

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49 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

Chuck, thanks for the information on Paul Bäumer, Julius Buckler, Otto Könnecke, Fritz Rumey und Karl Thom ... do you have more decortions for Thom? Maybe promotion dates? Was he reactivated in WW II? Thanks!

 

Fortunately, Their is a biography of Karl Thom that covers some award and promotion dates.

 

Order of the Pour Le Merite ; November 1 1918

Royal Hohenzollern House Order, Member's Cross with Swords ; August 7 1918

Golden Military Merit Cross ; October 11 1917

Iron Cross 1st, for escape from captivity after a forced landing du to mechanical issues (sometime between OCT1916-APR1917)

Iron Cross 2nd Class, after being wound in November 1914

Pilot's Badge, Army assigned fliegertruppe in June 1915

Wound Badge in Silver ; date ??

 

 

Unteroffizier, Promoted after being wounded in November 1914

Vizefeldwebel, Promoted July 24 1916

Leutnant, Promoted August 29 1918 

 

 

Regards,

Chuck

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