GODISHIGH Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I have never owned one of these and these are the only pictures I have at the moment. What can yall tell me about this one? Thanks John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) This is a third class cross of the second type which was introduced in ca. 1862/63 and was abolished in 1869. From the pictures, it looks fine to me. There were only two makers officially involved making these in the 1860s, from what I have heard, but I couldn't attribute it to the one or the other with only these pictures. Edited August 27, 2021 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Sascha is correct, this is a pretty scarce 'small crown' version of the order in what looks to be pristine condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Nice looking, I like the simplicity of the Order of the Crown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GODISHIGH Posted August 28, 2021 Author Share Posted August 28, 2021 Thanks for your help John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GODISHIGH Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 The seller mentions its marked "Wilh" between the arms and also states it's gold. Thanks John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 4 hours ago, GODISHIGH said: The seller mentions its marked "Wilh" between the arms and also states it's gold. All of these are gold, if they're authentic and officially produced. Prussia didn't change to gilt silver until almost 50 years after this type was obsolete. I'd love to see a picture of the mark! From what I have seen, many of these are unmarked... and "Wilh" cannot be what it reads. Maybe "AW"? Another common maker for such crosses could be "WILM", but not for the early type crosses, as far as I know. 17 hours ago, VtwinVince said: (...) in what looks to be pristine condition. With that flaw on the upper cross arm, "pristine" would not be my choice of words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 D'oh, another reason to get new glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 AS far i am concern, Usually, "WILM" mark was on the bottom of lower arm -6 o'clock ,not in between the arms In such cases if the price is very high you might request more information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Hi Simius Rex, If your information is 100% correct it means It is not only eMedals who claims that. i have seen in few Dealers Sites I am not collector of German Orders and if you are, as it looks like, enthusiastic German Orders collectors I will retreat my comments and cordially will accept your opiinin..till proven otherwise by other members Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GODISHIGH Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 Thanks for all yall's help John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Hi GGODISHIGH, I hope you made your mind regarding the Order To my friends from USA Take it easy. Do not start a war I accept your comments Those Forums are for constructive . exchange of opinion Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Point taken Double checked The WILM had the mark on the Cylinder. Confused with Wagner who had the imark on the lower Arm Visit woeschler-orden.de, updated each 1st and 15th a month! Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davesmedals Posted Sunday at 15:13 Share Posted Sunday at 15:13 (edited) I have one of these crosses in a British group of medals and mine is stamped ‘Wilh’ Between the arm's. Edited Sunday at 15:14 by davesmedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolewts58 Posted Sunday at 15:46 Share Posted Sunday at 15:46 32 minutes ago, davesmedals said: I have one of these crosses in a British group of medals and mine is stamped ‘Wilh’ Between the arm's. It's WILM. There was no maker named 'Wilh'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davesmedals Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Your correct sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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