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Hello!

Hoping for some assistance since I can’t find another Wagner “WS” cross with this less detailed core. At least not a good match.

Any thoughts on the core? Good or bad?

 

Thanks

/Erik

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Hello Erik,

 

Difficult to say for sure from a single photo but that is an awful strike by anyone's standards. Even with the pressures of maintaining heavy wartime production demands that shocker should never have got through even the most rudimentary of quality control. That said, a clumsy core doesn't necessarily make it a wrong-un though, on balance, I would pass on that one. So to answer your question, it is clearly a bad core but whether it is a genuine WS or not I cannot say but remain extremely doubtful.

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Thank you Peter for your reply!

I would not be so tempted to buy if it wasn’t for the engraving on the reverse.
The back seems ok for me, but the pictures is not so good unfortunately and no more provided. Hinge and pin looks ok I think.

Adding a few screenshots. Would appreciate comments on the reverse as well, does it provide more confidence in the cross?

 

sorry, should have provided both front and rear in first post.

 

Erik

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I restrain myself from engraved EKs, unless it comes from estate with a good provenance

 

Yes, it is always tempting to buy one of them

 

 

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Erik,

 

I now better understand the appeal of this cross to you. As you say, the hinge and pin look good. The maker's stamp (from what we can see of it) is positioned correctly for a WS otherwise it might equally well be taken for a crude We. As for the inscription, it's probably wise not to let this embellishment over-influence your opinion of the cross itself. As Graf has just said, if you're happy with the cross as it is then, without good provenance, an inscription is a bonus and should never be your main reason to buy.         

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Thank you Graf and Peter.

I think you give sound advice. Not easy to say if the engraving is true to the item or added for other reasons. I Might put a bid though if the price is fair, now that I feel more confident in the cross itself. The lack of detail was worrying but I believe I learnt it does not have to mean it is a fake. Just rarely seen. Unless I misunderstood.

 

Why would a fake have such well made frame and pin but fail with the core... Many copies show better details.

That I have been loosing some sleep over as well as why I can't find any others that look like it on the world wide web.

 

I did finally find one on this forum though that have some similarities. Having a less detailed crown (but not exactly alike) and having a similar 1914 style with big 1 in the number  (still a bit sharper in the details). posting link if interested: 

 

 

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Erik,

 

You're welcome. Glad that you are now feeling more confident about the cross (although I still wouldn't go for it myself). Researching past contributions to this forum is often all it takes to find an answer to our questions. Good luck with your bid.

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On 01/06/2022 at 00:40, SWE Erik said:

Hello!

Hoping for some assistance since I can’t find another Wagner “WS” cross with this less detailed core. At least not a good match.

Any thoughts on the core? Good or bad?

 

Thanks

/Erik

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 Sorry to bump in Here, especially as I am not very active here so much.
But for your core : (I could not resist)
I call it the BuckShot crown core.
Every Version you buy from These cores it seems to be (buckshot) differently.
I am making a file with all ek2 1914 core designs on the marked to be found and this core is listed with 2 variations.
And can be found in ek1 as well
The core ( to me ) is cast iron and you're cross is a typical WS.
Core is also used in WE and A marked crosses's.
And I suspect in combination with many more different markings in ek2 crosses's

I like it very much hope my added picture are of any help. 
Regards Kay

 

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Very interesting to see and read your post Kay!

I think the crown in your 2A is rather similar, interesting to see the variation of these.

 

Somewhere on a dealers site I read that these were made from “modified 1870 cores” and I think early in the war.
I suppose it is the cores used to imprint in the sand that were modified, for the  mould making process.

There were likely many cores with slight variations used.


Thoughts on this are welcome :)


Best regards

Erik

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