Idkanything Posted October 8 Posted October 8 My recent purchase of a Bavarian medal bar, the Württemberg award is missing but luckly it is easy to replace them on these bars. Until then it remains like this, it is a bit rusty but I couldnt resist buying it. Safe to assume that he liked his bavarian awards the most, even placing his long service award above his other combat decorations.
Idkanything Posted October 8 Author Posted October 8 33 minutes ago, VtwinVince said: LOL, another crazy Bavarian Reihenfolge. It is not a bad thing or is it? From my limited knowledge during WW1/Weimar era veterans wore their awards more or less however they wanted and regulations were not as strict as during WW2. It is impossible to say with this construction method of the bar but I think the awards have a consistent wear to them and could all belong together. Am I wrong about that?
Idkanything Posted October 8 Author Posted October 8 Some concerns have been voiced about the hooks of the medal bar on the WAF as they are not covered by the ribbons and the award dont sit firmly against the bar. In my opinion these are original hooks which have not been replaced but as I am not nearly as experienced as the members of the forum I would like some more opinions on them. They have some rust on them and the stitching to keep them in place does not glow under black light. Thank you for your time and help in advance, John
VtwinVince Posted October 8 Posted October 8 John, I have no problem with the bar, I just find the precedence on some Bavarian bars funny. And I've seen several bars with those type of tailor hooks, not a problem.
Idkanything Posted October 9 Author Posted October 9 19 hours ago, VtwinVince said: John, I have no problem with the bar, I just find the precedence on some Bavarian bars funny. And I've seen several bars with those type of tailor hooks, not a problem. Thank you, I am glad to hear that. Sorry for asking such a basic question but what is the difference between the Bavarian war merit cross without or with crown? Some closer pictures of the ek2 and BayMvK which I have two question about: 1. The iron cross has a mark on the back which looks like a "ooo", could it be a messed up "800" mark? 2. Is it possible to identify a maker of the Bavarian war merit cross?
spolei Posted October 9 Posted October 9 The difference between swords and crown swords is the rank. Soldiers and privates were awarded swords, NCOs and sergeants were awarded crown swords. Vice sergeants then received second class swords and deputy officers second class crown swords. 1st class sergeant lieutenants and first class crown swords military officers.
VtwinVince Posted October 9 Posted October 9 What he said. I think your EK is marked for silver. Is there a mark on the reverse side of the sword blade on the Merit Cross?
Idkanything Posted October 10 Author Posted October 10 16 hours ago, spolei said: The difference between swords and crown swords is the rank. Soldiers and privates were awarded swords, NCOs and sergeants were awarded crown swords. Vice sergeants then received second class swords and deputy officers second class crown swords. 1st class sergeant lieutenants and first class crown swords military officers. Thank you very much for the explanation. 13 hours ago, VtwinVince said: What he said. I think your EK is marked for silver. Is there a mark on the reverse side of the sword blade on the Merit Cross? Yes it is marked W&Co, as this is my first Bavarian military merit cross I did not know that they are marked on the swords, thank you for telling me.
VtwinVince Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Great, looks like Weiss & Co., although maybe spolei can spot whether the swords match the rest of the cross. Sometimes you get lucky and find silver swords that have been bronzed on these.
Idkanything Posted October 10 Author Posted October 10 (edited) 4 hours ago, VtwinVince said: Great, looks like Weiss & Co., although maybe spolei can spot whether the swords match the rest of the cross. Sometimes you get lucky and find silver swords that have been bronzed on these. I suppose this increases the value of the bavarian military merit cross for some collectors? I dont plan on selling it but I am just curious since I did not even know it had a 800 marked Godet cross when I bought it so another "special" cross would make this an even more extraordinary find for me. Edited October 10 by Idkanything
spolei Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Hello, the swords of the MVK were made of a non-ferrous metal alloy like the cross bodies. In some places, the same tools were used for the swords as for the MVO swords, which were made of silver. I have never heard of bronzed silver swords, which would not have made sense for cost reasons. At the Hemmerle company, you can find GH 900 swords on some variants, on which the 900 was polished, as the 900 stands for the silver content. stands for the silver content. White swords were marked with WCo. Here is a white and a GH example Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
VtwinVince Posted October 10 Posted October 10 The Bavarian MVK's are a real rabbit hole of collecting, so you're right, the marked ones are more highly prized. 1
spolei Posted October 10 Posted October 10 That's not quite true. The early variants are valued somewhat higher as they are rarer. As the duration of the war increased, more and more crosses were needed and then also produced by medal manufacturers such as Deschler. The early pieces still came from the workshops of order jewelers (Weiss, Leser and Hemmerle) However, you have to be familiar with the variants to distinguish the early from the late ones. Here are the early Hemmerle pieces Translated with DeepL.com (free version) 1
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